Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2662005)

Not for coal? I don’t see how we plan for n powering the world without burning coal. Tell that to the Chinese. We need it all. Solar? Sure. There’s NO reason why there shouldn’t be solar panels on the roof of every house in parts of America. More nuke’ler as well... but not in my backyard...

Coal is clean. Look at our emissions in this country. Our air is cleaner than ever. Fly into LA lately? You’d never see the ground 30 years ago, the smog was soooo bad.

You greenhadis want to outlaw everything that works and only allow green energy which can’t do it. Germany and Spain have put such a burden on their people by having the highest rates for energy in the world.

I’m not against green energy... only if it works. Carbon taxation is a joke and only will strip away massive gdp from the world.... all for a minuscule amount of temp “savings”.

One of the best things Trump has done is to get us out of the bs Paris Accords where the US basically had to make reparations of 3 billion dollars to the third world... no wonder they were so for it while belching out unregulated dirty coal plants...

Come on olive oil. Waiting for your grand plan with proof of concept.

Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2662223)

No way I’d live near a nuke plant. But if it’s safe nuclear then I’d do it.

Originally Posted by Glenntilton (Post 2658470)

Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2662480)

Backyard nukes will never fly. Order one. Dig it up. Then some jihadi or liberal will blow it up and use it for a dirty bomb. Yeah... never see small nukes. Ever. Thanks to terrorism.

If the Fukushima plant melted all the way could we call it the Miami Syndrome?...

Sounds great. All for it. If a computer guy says it’s safe then let’s go. Put em everywhere. Use that depleted uranium up from the Cold War and A10 rounds. Sounds perfect. I also heard that 3 mile island and Fukushima were safe also... oh don’t forget Chernobyl. That was also safe.

Not a big fan of nuk’ler. Cause when it goes wrong...it’s really bad and ruins big parts of ma nature for eons.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2662230)

Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2662480)

Backyard nukes will never fly. Order one. Dig it up. Then some jihadi or liberal will blow it up and use it for a dirty bomb. Yeah... never see small nukes. Ever. Thanks to terrorism.

If the Fukushima plant melted all the way could we call it the Miami Syndrome?...

Sounds great. All for it. If a computer guy says it’s safe then let’s go. Put em everywhere. Use that depleted uranium up from the Cold War and A10 rounds. Sounds perfect. I also heard that 3 mile island and Fukushima were safe also... oh don’t forget Chernobyl. That was also safe.

Not a big fan of nuk’ler. Cause when it goes wrong...it’s really bad and ruins big parts of ma nature for eons.

Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2664583)

More.... still waiting for olive to post anything.

https://business.financialpost.com/o...95c9a-36409661

Originally Posted by Tailhookah (Post 2660845)

We currently are much colder and at lower levels of CO2 than Earth has seen for a very long time.

Originally Posted by Fdxlag2 (Post 2670532)

You manufacture an island that everyone tells you will sink. It sinks because not enough people buy coal powered priuses genius.

Originally Posted by Fdxlag2 (Post 2670532)

You manufacture an island that everyone tells you will sink.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2670557)

Like I said earlier in the thread, waste heat from IV Gen nuclear power can be used to extract greenhouse gases directly out of the atmosphere. If the anti-nuclear people would change their minds, then climate change is no longer a thing.

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2670657)

Is Miami sinking?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...e-of-miami/amp

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2670657)

Is Miami sinking?

Originally Posted by Fdxlag2 (Post 2670667)

Florida population 1910 750,000; Florida population 2010 19,000,000. Think any of those 18,000,000 extra people built houses on landed that would be considered flood prone in 1910? Not sure what it has to do with the sinking Osaka airport that you wanted to discuss.

Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2670882)

It’s more the weight of almost 19M extra people, their houses and stuff. Since FL isn’t an island it won’t totally sink or capsize like Guam but probably bend down at the end by Miami and possibly go under. :rolleyes:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mnk0tIqsbYM

Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2670882)

It’s more the weight of almost 19M extra people, their houses and stuff. Since FL isn’t an island it won’t totally sink or capsize like Guam but probably bend down at the end by Miami and possibly go under. :rolleyes:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mnk0tIqsbYM

Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2671009)

Every time I see that video I wonder how he ever got elected.

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2671033)

Almost as stupid as the flat-earthers who deny climate change. Mirrors anyone?

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2671033)

Almost as stupid as the flat-earthers who deny climate change. Mirrors anyone?

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2671033)

Almost as stupid as the flat-earthers who deny climate change. Mirrors anyone?

Originally Posted by Fdxlag2 (Post 2671099)

Friday it was sunny and hot. Today it is chilly and raining. Damn that CO2.

Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 2671128)

Weighted down by name-calling, your arguments have sunk like Kansai Airport.

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2670657)

If is as good as Bill Gates, Michael Shellenberger and you say count me in. The Republicans control all the levers of power so it should be a done deal, right?

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2671341)

However, there is no future for nuclear if wind and solar are a large part of the power grid. In fact, most countries will be increasing their coal burning reliance with solar and wind.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2671341)

FWIW, the Trump tax cuts are the only thing that kept the Vogtle 3/4 project from going Tango Uniform.

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2671354)

You'll have to explain that because it doesn't appear on its face to make any sense at all.


Hardly a ringing endorsement much less support for nuclear.

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2671354)

You'll have to explain that because it doesn't appear on its face to make any sense at all.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2671381)

However, this constant flux of power capacity creates price instability in the market. With the expense of Nuclear, these plants can not survive in a market of fluctuating prices.

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2671418)

I appreciate the effort, but your argument still doesn't make sense. Markets including energy fluctuate all the time. Products' reliability and consistency are always part of pricing. Markets do a lousy job of accounting for negative economic externalities and new and not so new technologies including energy depend/benefit from government subsidies/support. You make a good case for the potential of nuclear, but don't seem to want to acknowledge its challenges while being anxious to do so for other clean technologies.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2671460)

Solar and wind are scams, if it were simply free market, we would only have coal and gas. The engineering world is telling you, if you want clean energy you need the government to run almost all nuclear, with some hydro where locations permit, in a not free market. The challenges of nuclear are nothing compared to the scam of wind and solar.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2671460)

The left then blames Trump, and the right for everything they did.

Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 2671128)

Weighted down by name-calling, your arguments have sunk like Kansai Airport. Fortunately for the environmentalist cause, spokespersons with better manners are available. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2671257)

They are not my arguments. They are those of the overwhelming scientific consensus not to mention common sense. As for your posts I can't recall any that have added much to this or any other APC discussion. Not exactly a "man in the arena."

Obvious and nonsensical BS deserves to called what it is.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2671460)

Solar and wind are scams, if it were simply free market, we would only have coal and gas. The engineering world is telling you, if you want clean energy you need the government to run almost all nuclear, with some hydro where locations permit, in a not free market. The challenges of nuclear are nothing compared to the scam of wind and solar.

There obviously is nothing I can say that will convince you that the left is running a green energy scam. However, we in the first world, exported our emissions to third world countries, we then promised billions to clean up our mess, but the money never arrived. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/w...l-warming.html
Instead it was funneled into the bank accounts of left wing venture capitalist firms, and to people who own them like Al Gore. The left then blames Trump, and the right for everything they did.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2671460)

Solar and wind are scams, if it were simply free market, we would only have coal and gas. The engineering world is telling you, if you want clean energy you need the government to run almost all nuclear, with some hydro where locations permit, in a not free market. The challenges of nuclear are nothing compared to the scam of wind and solar.

There obviously is nothing I can say that will convince you that the left is running a green energy scam. However, we in the first world, exported our emissions to third world countries, we then promised billions to clean up our mess, but the money never arrived. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/09/w...l-warming.html
Instead it was funneled into the bank accounts of left wing venture capitalist firms, and to people who own them like Al Gore. The left then blames Trump, and the right for everything they did.