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Flytolive 09-10-2018 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2671600)
That’s what their party does, insult those who have other opinions.

In light of the current POTUS that is absolutely hilarious. Thanks for the gut buster.

ItnStln 09-10-2018 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2671837)
In light of the current POTUS that is absolutely hilarious. Thanks for the gut buster.

That’s what your party does and it’s always been that way. President Trump is only playing your party’s game.

Flytolive 09-10-2018 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2671854)
That’s what your party does and it’s always been that way. President Trump is only playing your party’s game.

Sorry, never been a member of either party, and your projection is would be funny if you didn't actually believe it.

Tailhookah 09-12-2018 02:24 PM

Fltolive I thought you cowered away to your den of libhadi thinking and pixie dust manufacturing theory.

Well first your Kansai and post drivel picture is a good laugh. Maybe next time throw up that bogus picture of the thin and sick polar bear your types used for propaganda in the last decade.

The airport has already sunk 38’ and that pic was taken right after the storm cleared. As rational scientifically based brains know, flood waters do subside slowly. So even though it’s already sunk 38’, that pic was taken out of context and falsely used as propaganda.... just like your argument.

Go back to your village. I heard they’re missing their ....

Now send me some science that doesn’t begin with broken models and ends with anything Al Gore believes in.

Go... your village awaits.

Mesabah 10-15-2018 06:45 AM

Here's a great example of how the media gaslights liberals. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...he-chicken-war

This article uses truth to make lies. The left needs to defend itself for exporting emissions to third world countries, and not paying for it, posting this drivel is how they do it.

Fdxlag2 08-26-2019 07:54 AM

Hockey stick broken in Canada.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...#ixzz5xfIgleTg

rickair7777 08-26-2019 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Fdxlag2 (Post 2876728)

Meh. Just because he lost his libel/slander case doesn't mean he's wrong about the science. Doesn't mean he's right either. Weak correlation between facts and what you can, or cannot, prove in court.

AAfng 08-26-2019 10:17 AM

Its all a stupid hoax. Even if the earth is warming....SO WHAT? best thing that ever happened to humanity. More food, less starving people but hey, worry about the polar bears and glaciers instead.

People act like we are god like and can influence the climate when there is massive fireball that is the main contributor to keeping earth warm. Maybe that huge fire has something, just something, to do with any so called warming. The earth has been around for millions of years and we take at the most 100yrs of accurate data (I would argue more like 50 years of data) and say "Its getting too hot". Just doesnt pass the common sense test. None of it does.

JamesNoBrakes 08-26-2019 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by AAfng (Post 2876835)
Its all a stupid hoax. Even if the earth is warming....SO WHAT? best thing that ever happened to humanity. More food, less starving people but hey, worry about the polar bears and glaciers instead.

People act like we are god like and can influence the climate when there is massive fireball that is the main contributor to keeping earth warm. Maybe that huge fire has something, just something, to do with any so called warming. The earth has been around for millions of years and we take at the most 100yrs of accurate data (I would argue more like 50 years of data) and say "Its getting too hot". Just doesnt pass the common sense test. None of it does.

Well, that’s because you are actually intentionally misrepresenting or don’t understand the basic theory. It’s not that “it’s getting too hot”.

Slaphappy 08-26-2019 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 2876895)
Well, that’s because you are actually intentionally misrepresenting or don’t understand the basic theory. It’s not that “it’s getting too hot”.

Better tell that to the climate change alarmists then.

AAfng 08-26-2019 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 2876895)
Well, that’s because you are actually intentionally misrepresenting or don’t understand the basic theory. It’s not that “it’s getting too hot”.

Then what is then?? Geez

JamesNoBrakes 08-26-2019 06:26 PM

And let me get this straight, you are saying the sun is heating the earth at an increasing rate? I'm not even sure you understand what you are saying.

Fdxlag2 08-26-2019 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2876827)
Meh. Just because he lost his libel/slander case doesn't mean he's wrong about the science. Doesn't mean he's right either. Weak correlation between facts and what you can, or cannot, prove in court.

That he failed to provide his facts says an awful lot about his “science”.

Fdxlag2 08-27-2019 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 2877102)
And let me get this straight, you are saying the sun is heating the earth at an increasing rate? I'm not even sure you understand what you are saying.

And let me get this straight, you are saying the sun’s effect on the earth is a constant? Solar minima is not a factor?

rickair7777 08-27-2019 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Fdxlag2 (Post 2877137)
That he failed to provide his facts says an awful lot about his “science”.

In court? Before a jury of his "peers"? That's not how the justice system really works. When the topic is technically complex, lawyer BS plays an ever greater role in the outcome. The judge and jury were neither tasked, nor remotely competent, to give a ruling on global warming.

I do agree that many climate scientists, in an apparent rush to cash in on the hysteria, have done their cause more harm than good simply by appearing to have ulterior motives and taking shortcuts.

AAfng 08-27-2019 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 2877102)
And let me get this straight, you are saying the sun is heating the earth at an increasing rate? I'm not even sure you understand what you are saying.

I am saying you guys instantly blame humans when every morning you get up and there is a big fireball in the sky.

Little Ice ages, glaciers making the great lakes, the earth has cooled/warmed countless times over the years and it had NOTHING to do with humans and automobiles which didnt even show up until the 1900's.

The icing on the cake is that global warming is GOOD for mankind but no one cares about that important fact.

No one mentions the inaccuracy of measuring the earths climate and its changes prior to the last 50 or so years.

I say you take a chill pill, wait another 11 years and if the earth is still here then you can admit you were wrong.

Fdxlag2 08-27-2019 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2877414)
In court? Before a jury of his "peers"? That's not how the justice system really works. When the topic is technically complex, lawyer BS plays an ever greater role in the outcome. The judge and jury were neither tasked, nor remotely competent, to give a ruling on global warming.

I do agree that many climate scientists, in an apparent rush to cash in on the hysteria, have done their cause more harm than good simply by appearing to have ulterior motives and taking shortcuts.

He has always failed to show his work. He acts like he has something to hide. His E Mails that started this thread indicated he had something to hide. That is not science.

Excargodog 08-27-2019 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Fdxlag2 (Post 2877566)
He has always failed to show his work. He acts like he has something to hide. His E Mails that started this thread indicated he had something to hide. That is not science.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/ful...S-D-13-00083.1

An excerpt:


While scholars of scientific communication have identified many potential biases that might affect the quality and neutrality of peer reviews [see Weller (2001) and Lee et al. (2013) for reviews of this literature], peer review is still recognized within most research institutions as the best method for evaluating the merits of scientific work.

A growing challenge to peer review is the increasing importance of digital datasets and computational research methods within scientific research. The increased emphases by funding agencies and research organizations are pushing scientific communities toward new approaches for data sharing, management, and preservation (Overpeck et al. 2011). Methods for assessing and ensuring data quality are also taking on new importance to engender trust in data and to enable secondary data use.

JamesNoBrakes 08-27-2019 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by AAfng (Post 2877462)
I am saying you guys instantly blame humans when every morning you get up and there is a big fireball in the sky.

Who is "you guys" and you are saying that the earth is warming because the sun is getting hotter? Where is your science for this?


Little Ice ages, glaciers making the great lakes, the earth has cooled/warmed countless times over the years and it had NOTHING to do with humans and automobiles which didnt even show up until the 1900's.
Yes, and what you just posted has nothing to do with the postulate about climate change. You don't even understand what the theory is. Hint: It's not that it's getting warmer. It's gotten warmer and cooler before. Given that you don't even understand the most basic theory about it, I have to question why you are saying anything about it?




The icing on the cake is that global warming is GOOD for mankind but no one cares about that important fact.
Besides the loss of life and business in low-lying areas, permafrost, etc., there are plenty of other dramatic effects, like massive ocean bacteria/algae blooms that kill off marine life and render the sea life poisonous to humans, salmon being killed off before spawning due to the streams being too warm, ever increasing energy usage (and cost) due to rising cooling costs, having to constantly replace infrastructure and technology because the temps foreseen keep being exceeded. This is just the tip of the iceberg, so to speak, much more dramatic effects happen as currents and weather patterns change. By your other comments, you seem to think that the theory is that one day a giant switch will be pulled and these things will happen overnight to the extent where no life can survive afterwards. That is pretty far from the truth, which is that these things are happening at increasing rates and frequency.


No one mentions the inaccuracy of measuring the earths climate and its changes prior to the last 50 or so years.
What do you mean "no one"? You mean to say you haven't read any papers on the subject where the scientists describe the accuracy and the margin of error? This is how temperatures are determined:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-temperatures/

So you have evidence that this is not accurate to determine the fluctuations in the earths global temperatures? Please share this new evidence!


I say you take a chill pill, wait another 11 years and if the earth is still here then you can admit you were wrong.
You have knowledge of a theory that tells the end of the earth in 11 years? Please share this theory and where you got it!

Fdxlag2 08-28-2019 04:17 AM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2877614)

Here is what happened:

Mann had his theory that CO2 is bad supported by his manipulated data. He kept his manipulations secret.

Ball said bull**** you are a fraud.

Mann used legal system to try to silence Ball.

15 years later Mann attempts yet another delay to try to cost Ball more money. Ball says ok we accept your delay if you provide your now 20 year old data. Court sides with Ball.

Mann decided to give up rather than to support his science.

You and I both know that it wasn’t going to be Joe Hoser sitting on the Jury deciding if Mann was a fraud. It was an appeals court, and what would have happened is Mann would have presented his “proof”, Ball would have rebutted it, the court would have had neutral experts help them decide who was the wronged party.

Mann was the aggressor and folded like leaf in a rain forest denied CO2.

MaxQ 08-28-2019 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by Fdxlag2 (Post 2877373)
And let me get this straight, you are saying the sun’s effect on the earth is a constant? Solar minima is not a factor?

According to NASA there has been for some years the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century.....an unusually low level of solar activity that otherwise would be very slightly cooling the earth.....

Mesabah 08-28-2019 09:28 AM

The resulting reduction of cosmic ray protection, has a blanket effect on the atmosphere causing increased temperatures.

Slaphappy 09-23-2019 04:27 PM

Feel like this thread needs to be revived with all the nonsense being pushed about so-called "climate change" as of late.

Mesabah 09-23-2019 04:46 PM


Oscar
Emmy
Nobel Peace Prize
Top Gun Trophy
She deserves them all.

atpcliff 09-24-2019 02:15 AM

There will always be people who don't believe.

All those of us who are trying to help improve Our Earth can do, is try to educate them, and for those that don't want to learn, leave them and move on. We need to work together to avoid the worst of this Global Warming mess that we have created.

Namaste, and God Bless to you and your communities. I hope you can avoid the worst affects of Global Warming...

Slaphappy 09-24-2019 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2892161)

Oscar
Emmy
Nobel Peace Prize
Top Gun Trophy
She deserves them all.

Says a lot when a group is willing to exploit a child with severe developmental issues.

ItnStln 09-24-2019 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 2892553)
Says a lot when a group is willing to exploit a child with severe developmental issues.

Indeed it does

porkchopexpress 09-24-2019 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 2892553)
Says a lot when a group is willing to exploit a child with severe developmental issues.

Source, please?

madmax757 09-25-2019 01:57 AM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 2892553)
Says a lot when a group is willing to exploit a child with severe developmental issues.

She is 16 years old and English is her second or third language. She is very passionate about climate change and making a big grand debate about it. No different than our current US leadership with their agenda. I don't see where her developmental issues are? She is an amazing public speaker. 16 years old and speaking in front of the United Nations? What were you doing at 16 yo?

crewdawg 09-25-2019 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by porkchopexpress (Post 2892967)
Source, please?


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 2892992)
She is 16 years old and English is her second or third language. She is very passionate about climate change and making a big grand debate about it. No different than our current US leadership with their agenda. I don't see where her developmental issues are? She is an amazing public speaker. 16 years old and speaking in front of the United Nations? What were you doing at 16 yo?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...nberg-n1058276

He's probably referring to the fact that she has Asperger's. Either way you feel about global warming/climate change, she's being exploited...a puppet. They love her because you "can't attack," a child, especially one with Asperger's.

UAL T38 Phlyer 09-25-2019 05:43 AM

Have a teen sail a boat across the Atlantic for 2+ weeks. Not risky at all.

Make an impassioned speech. Big on proclamations. Small on specifics. Says her dreams and future have been stolen.

Voluntarily doesn’t go to school on Fridays. :confused:

Couldn’t she have just video teleconferenced the UN on a big screen to make her point that a lot of travel is unnecessary?

(Yes. But she didn’t.)

Curious how she got returned to Sweden.

The New Yorker reported she was wearing Crocs. Aren’t they made of petroleum?

porkchopexpress 09-25-2019 08:46 AM

It’s entirely plausible that she’s being exploited, but it’s also entirely plausible that she isn’t. A 16-year old fearless enough to address world leaders in such a fashion, one who refers to her Asperger’s as a “superpower”, is certainly capable of following through with her own beliefs. But on the other hand, very few minors likely have the resources to sail across the Atlantic in a solar powered yacht, so there’s that.

As for her address, it wasn’t meant to have lots of details. It was a call to action. The overwhelming, legitimate, peer-reviewed science is well documented and distributed. Her address wasn’t directed to deniers, it was directed to leaders who can effect change, and to voters around the world who can do the same. It could have been done via video teleconference, but it was far more impactful in person.

As someone already mentioned here, those who don’t believe in climate change likely won’t change their minds, and any efforts to persuade them are wasted energy. Similar to the people who honestly believe the earth is flat or that astronauts didn’t land on the moon. They should simply be left alone.

However you look at it, she is a remarkable girl with more cajones than most people I know.

MaxQ 09-26-2019 01:35 AM


Originally Posted by porkchopexpress (Post 2893140)
It’s entirely plausible that she’s being exploited, but it’s also entirely plausible that she isn’t. A 16-year old fearless enough to address world leaders in such a fashion, one who refers to her Asperger’s as a “superpower”, is certainly capable of following through with her own beliefs. But on the other hand, very few minors likely have the resources to sail across the Atlantic in a solar powered yacht, so there’s that.

As for her address, it wasn’t meant to have lots of details. It was a call to action. The overwhelming, legitimate, peer-reviewed science is well documented and distributed. Her address wasn’t directed to deniers, it was directed to leaders who can effect change, and to voters around the world who can do the same. It could have been done via video teleconference, but it was far more impactful in person.

As someone already mentioned here, those who don’t believe in climate change likely won’t change their minds, and any efforts to persuade them are wasted energy. Similar to the people who honestly believe the earth is flat or that astronauts didn’t land on the moon. They should simply be left alone.

However you look at it, she is a remarkable girl with more cajones than most people I know.

Good post..

crewdawg 09-26-2019 05:28 AM

You're kidding yourself if you don't think she has a speech writer and an acting coach (her family is full of actors). I mean just watch her last outburst on TV, it's like she was auditioning. She is simply repeating back what some adult has told her to say. That someone simply found a perfect delivery platform (a child with Asperger's)...now world leaders will "have" to listen! Right? It also helps they found parents who were willing to let their child be exploited. She's right though, someone did steal here childhood, her parents and her financiers...

Oh ya, her family has recently written a book that's set to come out next year, I bet this will help their sales...

She's a puppet.

mainlineAF 09-26-2019 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2893605)
You're kidding yourself if you don't think she has a speech writer and an acting coach (her family is full of actors). I mean just watch her last outburst on TV, it's like she was auditioning. She is simply repeating back what some adult has told her to say. That someone simply found a perfect delivery platform (a child with Asperger's)...now world leaders will "have" to listen! Right? It also helps they found parents who were willing to let their child be exploited. She's right though, someone did steal here childhood, her parents and her financiers...



Oh ya, her family has recently written a book that's set to come out next year, I bet this will help their sales...



She's a puppet.



So?

Even if she is she has done her job of getting people to talk about how humans are destroying the earth.

GogglesPisano 09-26-2019 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by porkchopexpress (Post 2893140)
It’s entirely plausible that she’s being exploited, but it’s also entirely plausible that she isn’t. A 16-year old fearless enough to address world leaders in such a fashion, one who refers to her Asperger’s as a “superpower”, is certainly capable of following through with her own beliefs. But on the other hand, very few minors likely have the resources to sail across the Atlantic in a solar powered yacht, so there’s that.

As for her address, it wasn’t meant to have lots of details. It was a call to action. The overwhelming, legitimate, peer-reviewed science is well documented and distributed. Her address wasn’t directed to deniers, it was directed to leaders who can effect change, and to voters around the world who can do the same. It could have been done via video teleconference, but it was far more impactful in person.

As someone already mentioned here, those who don’t believe in climate change likely won’t change their minds, and any efforts to persuade them are wasted energy. Similar to the people who honestly believe the earth is flat or that astronauts didn’t land on the moon. They should simply be left alone.

However you look at it, she is a remarkable girl with more cajones than most people I know.

Excellent post.

AZFlyer 09-26-2019 07:43 AM

Not a single one of the cataclysmic climate predictions made over the last 50 years has been correct. Ice ages, famines, droughts, extinctions, exhaustion of natural resources...predictions that have all come and went without as much as a blip in change to our lives.

Does anyone really think we have only 12 years left to live before the world consumes itself in a destructive inferno of climate disasters? This was already supposed to happen multiple times, and each time, the 'science was settled'. We had 'consensus.'

If we had 12 years "science-settled" notice of say, a life-ending asteroid headed directly for Earth, you can bet there would be a lot more action in place to find a way to sway our untimely fate. (Perhaps assembling a
spacecraft designed by the lowest bidder that will hand deliver a nuclear payload directly to the asteroids surface?? :D)

If climate change is such an imminent threat, we should be relocating people away from the coasts, by force if necessary, no one should be allowed to buy any more beach front property, insurance companies would not be willing to insure anyone living in coastal lowlands. Where are the leaders on this?

The world's leaders should be making impassioned pleas on the Asian continent to immediately reform their filthy ways or else face severe consequences; after all, the fate of humanity rests on it and we are mere years away from extinction. Would we be willing to go to war with the East in order to save the world?

Instead the countries that are the cleanest and making the most efforts get patronizingly lectured to by people that are singing the same old song that we've been hearing for decades. For some reason these lecturers are afraid to call-out the most egregious offenders of climate and environmental filth: the Asian continent. While we in the West spare the ocean of a fraction of fraction of a percent of waste in the form of our formerly legal plastic straws, China dumps tens of thousands of tons of waste into it's waters.

Instead, activists and politicians make a bunch of noise about this cause, but no one is actually putting change into their personal livelihoods. Still consuming petroleum products, still purchasing products produced in those most polluting of countries, flying around the world in private jets to 'conferences' about ways to make the environment healthier, and on and on. Why is that? It's either the greatest threat to humanity and we have mere years left to live or it's not. Forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical when I see this.

It isn't "denial" or "believing". It's about skepticism.

crewdawg 09-26-2019 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by mainlineAF (Post 2893609)
So?

Even if she is she has done her job of getting people to talk about how humans are destroying the earth.

Meh, there has been a lot of "settled science" over the years that have since been proven wrong. I'm all for building better technologies and being better to Earth. But she sure is doing a good job...of helping her financiers line their pockets.

mainlineAF 09-26-2019 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2893676)
Meh, there has been a lot of "settled science" over the years that have since been proven wrong. I'm all for building better technologies and being better to Earth. But she sure is doing a good job...of helping her financiers line their pockets.



Whatever your thoughts on her there is simply no denying we treat the earth like a garbage can and are destroying it rapidly.

badflaps 09-26-2019 11:33 AM

I am impressed though, that an ex president has moved to a tiny island to fight the impending high water destruction.


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