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Originally Posted by Generic Pilot
(Post 2946573)
Keep the $1.
Key West is already changing. Flooding is more of a problem, not catastrophic, but an increasing problem. The Florida Keys and Everglades, coastal communities and similar areas are vulnerable due to poor building choices and standards and are Canaries in a Coal Mine. You're not going to see a sudden tsunami and *BOOM* flooding and global warming. The changes will be subtle and non-obvious ways. The first will be home value and insurance prices. This will ripple to local and state level short comings and tax increases for everyone. A simple 1% drain on an local/state/federal government for infrastructure mitigation will have wide reaching consequences to the ability to counteract other emergencies in the future. Now, don't bother believing all those pesky "scientists" who get all of that fancy book learnin'. Follow the money. The insurance companies believe in the sea level rise. Ask some who lives on the coast. The military believes in the sea level rise. Many ocean facing bases are having sea walls and drainage upgraded. But you all know better than the specialists because "I'm a Pilot" :rolleyes: So let's look at the key points of the thread: Wealth Distribution (Meaning SOCIALISM [so scary]) 16 year old hurt my feelings/made me clutch my pearls Russia/China Conspiracy Something Something… Al Gore Science isn't real Trust the Russian government propaganda more than science Unproven Nuclear theories Dey Gunna Take our Planez!!1!1 (gunz) Active Cognitive Dissonance LIBURALZ!! Too much consensus is bad because, reasons Cow farts No, YOU'RE a Flat Earther!! But it's cold outside... But the dinosaurs.... I need someone to say something about Tesla, polar bears and gay frogs so I can finish my BINGO card. |
Originally Posted by HIFLYR
(Post 2946982)
Ok I ask someone who lives on the coast, I just asked myself as I live on the coast! The fact that you apparently think socialism is ok per your quote tells me you don’t have a clue!
The Cold War era and far right wing followers still eating it up 60 years later. Yes, most of us are ok with socialism in some form or another. Public schools are a socialist concept. Care to Guess who invented the idea of workers unions such as ALPA? Carl Marx did. But again, this is not a petty political question. Global warming doesn’t care about polarized U.S. politics or if you regard “socialism” as a poo poo word. |
Originally Posted by Aeirum
(Post 2947004)
He’s not alluding to socialism being ok or not. He’s sarcastically describing scare tactics harking back to
The Cold War era and far right wing followers still eating it up 60 years later. Yes, most of us are ok with socialism in some form or another. Public schools are a socialist concept. Care to Guess who invented the idea of workers unions such as ALPA? Carl Marx did. But again, this is not a petty political question. Global warming doesn’t care about polarized U.S. politics or if you regard “socialism” as a poo poo word. |
Originally Posted by Aeirum
(Post 2947004)
He’s not alluding to socialism being ok or not. He’s sarcastically describing scare tactics harking back to
The Cold War era and far right wing followers still eating it up 60 years later. Yes, most of us are ok with socialism in some form or another. Public schools are a socialist concept. Care to Guess who invented the idea of workers unions such as ALPA? Carl Marx did. But again, this is not a petty political question. Global warming doesn’t care about polarized U.S. politics or if you regard “socialism” as a poo poo word. Karl Marx is spelled with a K, as in ?German, not C as in English. And, he didn’t invent unions, look up trade guilds, Robert Owen, and London Trades Council. GF |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 2947070)
Most of those throwing “socialism” around don’t even understand what it is—state ownership, to some degree, of the means of production. What they really want is an advanced welfare state, which currently the fad. Sweden, most of Scandinavia, has a highly developed welfare state funded by a free market business climate. State provides many forms of social insurance—generously funded college, state funding or provision of health care, child care. Many of these services are funded/sourced thru joint private/public measures.
Karl Marx is spelled with a K, as in ?German, not C as in English. And, he didn’t invent unions, look up trade guilds, Robert Owen, and London Trades Council. GF Regardless of the above its time we as a country start realizing that socialism and capitalism are two complementary theories. One cannot succeed without the other. Some things must be state/federally owned and others must be left to operate in the capitalist domain. We as a people need to agree or at least acquiesce to a bias and decide which sector is appropriate for which domain. That being said global warming is one of those things which cannot be left to the capitalist/free market domain for obvious reasons. Clearly we must be on the lookout for opportunism in politicians on both sides of the fence but for gods sakes don't stick your head in the sand and pretend that there isn't a problem and mans effect on climate change is all made up. |
I've numbered them to ease of use:
1. Wealth Distribution (Meaning SOCIALISM [so scary]) 2. 16 year old hurt my feelings/made me clutch my pearls 3. Russia/China Conspiracy 4. Something Something… Al Gore 5. Science isn't real 6. Trust the Russian government propaganda more than science 7. Unproven Nuclear theories 8. Dey Gunna Take our Planez!!1!1 (gunz) 9. Active Cognitive Dissonance 10. LIBURALZ!! 11. Too much consensus is bad because, reasons 12. Cow farts 13. No, YOU'RE a Flat Earther!! 14. But it's cold outside... 15. But the dinosaurs....
Originally Posted by HIFLYR
(Post 2946982)
The fact that you apparently think socialism is ok per your quote tells me you don’t have a clue!
Remember kids, when someone implies (*SOCIALISM*), they automatically win the argument, regardless of facts! :rolleyes: (boogie boogie) ((kill a commie for mommy)) |
Originally Posted by Generic Pilot
(Post 2947264)
I've numbered them to ease of use:
1. Wealth Distribution (Meaning SOCIALISM [so scary]) 2. 16 year old hurt my feelings/made me clutch my pearls 3. Russia/China Conspiracy 4. Something Something… Al Gore 5. Science isn't real 6. Trust the Russian government propaganda more than science 7. Unproven Nuclear theories 8. Dey Gunna Take our Planez!!1!1 (gunz) 9. Active Cognitive Dissonance 10. LIBURALZ!! 11. Too much consensus is bad because, reasons 12. Cow farts 13. No, YOU'RE a Flat Earther!! 14. But it's cold outside... 15. But the dinosaurs.... And here is #1 Remember kids, when someone implies (*SOCIALISM*), they automatically win the argument, regardless of facts! :rolleyes: (boogie boogie) ((kill a commie for mommy)) |
Yes, folks, inside every democratic socialist is totalitarian screaming to get out. The gist is “order your life out way or it’s the gulag for you.
Until there’s a world government, climate change, which is likely real to some extent, will be dealt with old fashioned way—adaptation and muddle through. When Jane Fonda leaves jail and does NOT return to 7,000 square foot house: when DiCaprio does NOT rent a 500’ yacht; when Bloomberg spends his weekends in NYC; when Obama sells his $12 million dollars ocean front house at a huge loss and moves into public housing in Chicago; when to corporate jet ramps at TEB, ASE and PBI are empty; when Xi and Modi tell their 2.4 billion citizens poverty is their future; then I’ll believe the hoopla. Until then, I’ll continue my mantra: not to believe anything I hear and half of what I see. |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 2947357)
When Jane Fonda leaves jail and does NOT return to 7,000 square foot house: when DiCaprio does NOT rent a 500’ yacht; when Bloomberg spends his weekends in NYC; when Obama sells his $12 million dollars ocean front house at a huge loss and moves into public housing in Chicago; when to corporate jet ramps at TEB, ASE and PBI are empty; when Xi and Modi tell their 2.4 billion citizens poverty is their future; then I’ll believe the hoopla.
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 2947357)
Yes, folks, inside every democratic socialist is totalitarian screaming to get out. The gist is “order your life out way or it’s the gulag for you.
Until there’s a world government, climate change, which is likely real to some extent, will be dealt with old fashioned way—adaptation and muddle through. When Jane Fonda leaves jail and does NOT return to 7,000 square foot house: when DiCaprio does NOT rent a 500’ yacht; when Bloomberg spends his weekends in NYC; when Obama sells his $12 million dollars ocean front house at a huge loss and moves into public housing in Chicago; when to corporate jet ramps at TEB, ASE and PBI are empty; when Xi and Modi tell their 2.4 billion citizens poverty is their future; then I’ll believe the hoopla. Until then, I’ll continue my mantra: not to believe anything I hear and half of what I see. |
Originally Posted by HIFLYR
(Post 2947303)
Haha What facts they are just theories on both sides! Life in the Gulf Coast is great you should try it!
Also: 16. It's just a theory. |
Originally Posted by Aeirum
(Post 2946882)
No I haven’t stopped doing the above. But I’ve accepted the fact that there’s a problem. That’s step one. Currently we drive 30mpg vehicles and live in a modest home. We use all LED bulbs and are conscious about our usage. These were decisions made in the past ten years. We have started eating less red meat after we learned that it had the greatest impact on our environment, health, and wallet. The good news is that an occasional tomahawk steak tastes better when you eat them less frequently.
For me it will be relatively easy to greatly reduce my family’s footprint by going solar with net metering. Add an electric car to the mix and I will have sustained my life style while reducing my emissions AND I’ll save money in the long run. Due to an expanding family I’m currently in the process of buying a long term home in which I can expect to reach the break even point of 9 years. |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 2947070)
Most of those throwing “socialism” around don’t even understand what it is—state ownership, to some degree, of the means of production. What they really want is an advanced welfare state, which currently the fad. Sweden, most of Scandinavia, has a highly developed welfare state funded by a free market business climate. State provides many forms of social insurance—generously funded college, state funding or provision of health care, child care. Many of these services are funded/sourced thru joint private/public measures.
Karl Marx is spelled with a K, as in ?German, not C as in English. And, he didn’t invent unions, look up trade guilds, Robert Owen, and London Trades Council. GF For more interesting reading I recommend Duck Duck Going Sweden Welfare Immigration. Seems you can have a welfare state or open borders. Not both. |
Originally Posted by Generic Pilot
(Post 2947484)
Which proves that you don't know what a fact or a theory is.
Also: 16. It's just a theory. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2947485)
To reach the 2.5 degree target, ALL carbon activity must stop.
It would also be vastly expensive, but could in theory be accomplished with total global chaos... if Everyone cooperates. I'd be curious as to what the science people would say about an "overshoot": accept the *practical* reality that we can't fix it in 30 years, but given 100 years should be able to reverse the process and get temps back down. How much damage would be undone? |
Originally Posted by Aeirum
(Post 2947474)
...at which point the damage will be done of course. You and your ilk are akin to a boat anchor and the storm is headed this way. I digress.
Besides, Americans care UNTIL it involves actual sacrifice. Only 34% said they would be very likely or somewhat likely to pay an extra $100 a year in taxes to help, including 25% of Republicans and 33% of independents, according to the poll. The results were similar for higher power bills. Only 38% said they would be likely to help by carpooling or using public transport, and 33% said they’d be willing to trade their car in for an electric vehicle, while 42% said they would be likely to install solar panels, according to the poll. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2947552)
That's actually achievable. It would obviously involve vast reductions in fossil fuels but would also require at least some carbon capture.
It would also be vastly expensive, but could in theory be accomplished with total global chaos... if Everyone cooperates. I'd be curious as to what the science people would say about an "overshoot": accept the *practical* reality that we can't fix it in 30 years, but given 100 years should be able to reverse the process and get temps back down. How much damage would be undone? I'm curious to see how these natural fission batteries work in practice. The left is trying to shut them down, however.https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...n-Clean-Energy |
The ONLY efficient sources of energy are renewable. Non-renewable means they will end, and all of our resources poured into extracting coal/oil/gas will be a waste, once the resources aren't needed, or are depleted. We will have oil/gas/coal infrastructure, that was expensive, sitting idle...VERY inefficient.
Renewable means the sources of energy won't end, and any money we put into them will continue to pay dividends down the road. |
Originally Posted by atpcliff
(Post 2947661)
The ONLY efficient sources of energy are renewable. Non-renewable means they will end, and all of our resources poured into extracting coal/oil/gas will be a waste, once the resources aren't needed, or are depleted. We will have oil/gas/coal infrastructure, that was expensive, sitting idle...VERY inefficient.
Renewable means the sources of energy won't end, and any money we put into them will continue to pay dividends down the road. |
Originally Posted by atpcliff
(Post 2947661)
The ONLY efficient sources of energy are renewable. Non-renewable means they will end, and all of our resources poured into extracting coal/oil/gas will be a waste, once the resources aren't needed, or are depleted. We will have oil/gas/coal infrastructure, that was expensive, sitting idle...VERY inefficient.
Renewable means the sources of energy won't end, and any money we put into them will continue to pay dividends down the road. |
Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 2947584)
It's probably not expensive if done right.
I'm curious to see how these natural fission batteries work in practice. The left is trying to shut them down, however.https://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...n-Clean-Energy An RTG is more what I'd describe as a "battery". I'm guessing actual fission since they seem to be dancing around the topic of how it works. It would be possible to build a sort of "solid state" fission plant with low enough core energy density such that liquid cooling is not required, which could allow a much smaller and less-complex plant. No reason this can't work but personally it seems safer to consolidate fission generation in large plants rather than spread out through the community? |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2947777)
The article doesn't specify whether it's an RTG or an actual critical fission plant.
An RTG is more what I'd describe as a "battery". I'm guessing actual fission since they seem to be dancing around the topic of how it works. It would be possible to build a sort of "solid state" fission plant with low enough core energy density such that liquid cooling is not required, which could allow a much smaller and less-complex plant. No reason this can't work but personally it seems safer to consolidate fission generation in large plants rather than spread out through the community? Yeah, I'm a big fan of large power plants, however, after the left successfully trashed V.C. Summer, that ship has probably sailed in the US. |
Originally Posted by Generic Pilot
(Post 2946950)
"People making bad investments makes me right."
No, it shows one dimensional thinking. There is infrastructure to consider, ya know, one road in and one road out for the Keys. Someone loses. Either the home owners in the low lying areas or the tax payers for the entire state. |
The Navy just got a patent for a very small fission reactor. It is designed to power the UFO-type craft that they patented a couple of months ago. It is VERY fast, travels under water, in the air, and in space. The craft doesn't experience the laws of physics, because it is surrounded by an electro-magnetic force field. It is an advancement of the system on the B2, where the e-m force field reduces the force of the drag from air molecules, so it is much more efficient than the older model aircraft.
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Originally Posted by nate5ks
(Post 2948073)
Did you even open the links? I don’t think anyone’s house, low lying or not, will be underwater in the next century according to those charts. Also, all new builds must be stilted above flood plain to be permitted.
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Originally Posted by Slaphappy
(Post 2951209)
If you believe that nonsense you're beyond help.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...article_inline |
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