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HIFLYR 12-29-2019 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Generic Pilot (Post 2946573)
Keep the $1.
Key West is already changing. Flooding is more of a problem, not catastrophic, but an increasing problem.

The Florida Keys and Everglades, coastal communities and similar areas are vulnerable due to poor building choices and standards and are Canaries in a Coal Mine.

You're not going to see a sudden tsunami and *BOOM* flooding and global warming. The changes will be subtle and non-obvious ways. The first will be home value and insurance prices. This will ripple to local and state level short comings and tax increases for everyone. A simple 1% drain on an local/state/federal government for infrastructure mitigation will have wide reaching consequences to the ability to counteract other emergencies in the future.

Now, don't bother believing all those pesky "scientists" who get all of that fancy book learnin'. Follow the money. The insurance companies believe in the sea level rise. Ask some who lives on the coast. The military believes in the sea level rise. Many ocean facing bases are having sea walls and drainage upgraded.

But you all know better than the specialists because "I'm a Pilot" :rolleyes:

So let's look at the key points of the thread:
Wealth Distribution (Meaning SOCIALISM [so scary])
16 year old hurt my feelings/made me clutch my pearls
Russia/China Conspiracy
Something Something… Al Gore
Science isn't real
Trust the Russian government propaganda more than science
Unproven Nuclear theories
Dey Gunna Take our Planez!!1!1 (gunz)
Active Cognitive Dissonance
LIBURALZ!!
Too much consensus is bad because, reasons
Cow farts
No, YOU'RE a Flat Earther!!
But it's cold outside...
But the dinosaurs....

I need someone to say something about Tesla, polar bears and gay frogs so I can finish my BINGO card.

Ok I ask someone who lives on the coast, I just asked myself as I live on the coast! The fact that you apparently think socialism is ok per your quote tells me you don’t have a clue!

Aeirum 12-29-2019 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by HIFLYR (Post 2946982)
Ok I ask someone who lives on the coast, I just asked myself as I live on the coast! The fact that you apparently think socialism is ok per your quote tells me you don’t have a clue!

He’s not alluding to socialism being ok or not. He’s sarcastically describing scare tactics harking back to
The Cold War era and far right wing followers still eating it up 60 years later.
Yes, most of us are ok with socialism in some form or another. Public schools are a socialist concept. Care to Guess who invented the idea of workers unions such as ALPA? Carl Marx did.

But again, this is not a petty political question. Global warming doesn’t care about polarized U.S. politics or if you regard “socialism” as a poo poo word.

HIFLYR 12-29-2019 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Aeirum (Post 2947004)
He’s not alluding to socialism being ok or not. He’s sarcastically describing scare tactics harking back to
The Cold War era and far right wing followers still eating it up 60 years later.
Yes, most of us are ok with socialism in some form or another. Public schools are a socialist concept. Care to Guess who invented the idea of workers unions such as ALPA? Carl Marx did.

But again, this is not a petty political question. Global warming doesn’t care about polarized U.S. politics or if you regard “socialism” as a poo poo word.

It’s just funny to me that many of the orchestrators of the Carbon Tax etc. call it like it is wealth redistribution and state it’s control they are after and so many choose to dismiss it. I do what I can for the environment led bulbs, efficient appliances and AC etc but a big carbon tax scheme I am not for. In the end nothing stops you or anyone from going totally off grid or donating all your earnings to the cause if you feel so strongly about it.

galaxy flyer 12-29-2019 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Aeirum (Post 2947004)
He’s not alluding to socialism being ok or not. He’s sarcastically describing scare tactics harking back to
The Cold War era and far right wing followers still eating it up 60 years later.
Yes, most of us are ok with socialism in some form or another. Public schools are a socialist concept. Care to Guess who invented the idea of workers unions such as ALPA? Carl Marx did.

But again, this is not a petty political question. Global warming doesn’t care about polarized U.S. politics or if you regard “socialism” as a poo poo word.

Most of those throwing “socialism” around don’t even understand what it is—state ownership, to some degree, of the means of production. What they really want is an advanced welfare state, which currently the fad. Sweden, most of Scandinavia, has a highly developed welfare state funded by a free market business climate. State provides many forms of social insurance—generously funded college, state funding or provision of health care, child care. Many of these services are funded/sourced thru joint private/public measures.

Karl Marx is spelled with a K, as in ?German, not C as in English. And, he didn’t invent unions, look up trade guilds, Robert Owen, and London Trades Council.

GF

Aeirum 12-29-2019 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2947070)
Most of those throwing “socialism” around don’t even understand what it is—state ownership, to some degree, of the means of production. What they really want is an advanced welfare state, which currently the fad. Sweden, most of Scandinavia, has a highly developed welfare state funded by a free market business climate. State provides many forms of social insurance—generously funded college, state funding or provision of health care, child care. Many of these services are funded/sourced thru joint private/public measures.

Karl Marx is spelled with a K, as in ?German, not C as in English. And, he didn’t invent unions, look up trade guilds, Robert Owen, and London Trades Council.

GF

Karl Marx (with a K - thank you) was a philosopher and social theorist. His and Engels theories were purely intellectual and complimentary to Owens practical social experiments. They were both instrumental with Marx observing Owen and others publicizing on the subject. You can argue that Robert Owen came before with his Utopian socialism experiments. Karl Marx analyzed and published on the subject fueling the first conventions on craft and later trade unions in Russia. The difference is that Karl Marx ideas resulted in an initiative by the people against the business owners. Owens ideas were a benevolent utopian initiative on the business owners part. Who is the father of modern unions? The intellectual revolutionary or the benevolent philanthropic? A case can be made for both.

Regardless of the above its time we as a country start realizing that socialism and capitalism are two complementary theories. One cannot succeed without the other. Some things must be state/federally owned and others must be left to operate in the capitalist domain. We as a people need to agree or at least acquiesce to a bias and decide which sector is appropriate for which domain.

That being said global warming is one of those things which cannot be left to the capitalist/free market domain for obvious reasons. Clearly we must be on the lookout for opportunism in politicians on both sides of the fence but for gods sakes don't stick your head in the sand and pretend that there isn't a problem and mans effect on climate change is all made up.

Generic Pilot 12-29-2019 04:04 PM

I've numbered them to ease of use:

1. Wealth Distribution (Meaning SOCIALISM [so scary])
2. 16 year old hurt my feelings/made me clutch my pearls
3. Russia/China Conspiracy
4. Something Something… Al Gore
5. Science isn't real
6. Trust the Russian government propaganda more than science
7. Unproven Nuclear theories
8. Dey Gunna Take our Planez!!1!1 (gunz)
9. Active Cognitive Dissonance
10. LIBURALZ!!
11. Too much consensus is bad because, reasons
12. Cow farts
13. No, YOU'RE a Flat Earther!!
14. But it's cold outside...
15. But the dinosaurs....

Quote:

Originally Posted by HIFLYR (Post 2946982)
The fact that you apparently think socialism is ok per your quote tells me you don’t have a clue!

And here is #1
Remember kids, when someone implies (*SOCIALISM*), they automatically win the argument, regardless of facts! :rolleyes:

(boogie boogie)

((kill a commie for mommy))

HIFLYR 12-29-2019 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Generic Pilot (Post 2947264)
I've numbered them to ease of use:

1. Wealth Distribution (Meaning SOCIALISM [so scary])
2. 16 year old hurt my feelings/made me clutch my pearls
3. Russia/China Conspiracy
4. Something Something… Al Gore
5. Science isn't real
6. Trust the Russian government propaganda more than science
7. Unproven Nuclear theories
8. Dey Gunna Take our Planez!!1!1 (gunz)
9. Active Cognitive Dissonance
10. LIBURALZ!!
11. Too much consensus is bad because, reasons
12. Cow farts
13. No, YOU'RE a Flat Earther!!
14. But it's cold outside...
15. But the dinosaurs....



And here is #1
Remember kids, when someone implies (*SOCIALISM*), they automatically win the argument, regardless of facts! :rolleyes:

(boogie boogie)

((kill a commie for mommy))

Haha What facts they are just theories on both sides! Life in the Gulf Coast is great you should try it!

galaxy flyer 12-29-2019 06:12 PM

Yes, folks, inside every democratic socialist is totalitarian screaming to get out. The gist is “order your life out way or it’s the gulag for you.

Until there’s a world government, climate change, which is likely real to some extent, will be dealt with old fashioned way—adaptation and muddle through.

When Jane Fonda leaves jail and does NOT return to 7,000 square foot house: when DiCaprio does NOT rent a 500’ yacht; when Bloomberg spends his weekends in NYC; when Obama sells his $12 million dollars ocean front house at a huge loss and moves into public housing in Chicago; when to corporate jet ramps at TEB, ASE and PBI are empty; when Xi and Modi tell their 2.4 billion citizens poverty is their future; then I’ll believe the hoopla. Until then, I’ll continue my mantra: not to believe anything I hear and half of what I see.

JamesNoBrakes 12-29-2019 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2947357)
When Jane Fonda leaves jail and does NOT return to 7,000 square foot house: when DiCaprio does NOT rent a 500’ yacht; when Bloomberg spends his weekends in NYC; when Obama sells his $12 million dollars ocean front house at a huge loss and moves into public housing in Chicago; when to corporate jet ramps at TEB, ASE and PBI are empty; when Xi and Modi tell their 2.4 billion citizens poverty is their future; then I’ll believe the hoopla.

Are those scientists?

Aeirum 12-29-2019 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2947357)
Yes, folks, inside every democratic socialist is totalitarian screaming to get out. The gist is “order your life out way or it’s the gulag for you.

Until there’s a world government, climate change, which is likely real to some extent, will be dealt with old fashioned way—adaptation and muddle through.

When Jane Fonda leaves jail and does NOT return to 7,000 square foot house: when DiCaprio does NOT rent a 500’ yacht; when Bloomberg spends his weekends in NYC; when Obama sells his $12 million dollars ocean front house at a huge loss and moves into public housing in Chicago; when to corporate jet ramps at TEB, ASE and PBI are empty; when Xi and Modi tell their 2.4 billion citizens poverty is their future; then I’ll believe the hoopla. Until then, I’ll continue my mantra: not to believe anything I hear and half of what I see.

...at which point the damage will be done of course. You and your ilk are akin to a boat anchor and the storm is headed this way. I digress.


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