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Gordie H 12-22-2019 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2943078)
Ever hear of “fungible”? How does the power company guarantee the electricity you receive is 100% renewable and it’s not mixed with your neighbor’s supply who didn’t take the option and saves 20%? Look up price differentiation as a concept.

GF

That’s funny because I had the exact same thoughts. And the truth is I really don’t know for sure if my power is now all renewable or not. And I’ll concede there’s other things I’ve done too which I don’t know for certain really make any difference.

But let’s say we can go forward 100 years and see how it all turns out…lets say it turns out you’re right and everything I’m doing is insignificant and climate change was just part of the natural ebb and flow. Personally I’m fine with that because basically that means at most I wasted some money and time (I've also been known to waste some money in Vegas on occasion).

Bottomline is I can be wrong and no harm done. Your approach...you basically can't be wrong.

Gordie H 12-22-2019 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by C130driver (Post 2943385)
No one is triggered, we are laughing at her and climate hysterics as this is the best they can come up with. Cmon, let the adults run things here.

I agree a 16 year old isn't going to change anyone's mind...if anything it might have the opposite effect. They should highlight more people like Mattis...here are some of his words I googled up from this fall...


“Let me talk for a moment to those who are skeptical about climate change,” Mattis, who left the Defense Department in December, told an audience during a memoir tour talk at George Washington University. “Even if it might not be the case, if there is a chance that it’s climate change and it can be as potentially catastrophic as some think it could be, wouldn’t it be good to have an insurance policy?”

Mattis said a plan introduced by the Climate Leadership Council—which would levy a fee on entities whose mines, wells, or ports emit carbon dioxide and return those proceeds to individual Americans—makes sense. He laid out examples of climate effects the military needs to consider. For one, melting sea ice has created “a new open body of water that, from a military point of view, we have to deal with,” he said.

“To me, this is just science,” he said. “I’m not going to get into the politics of it.”

HIFLYR 12-22-2019 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 2943019)
"Going 100% Green Will Pay For Itself in Seven Years, Study Finds"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...rs-study-finds

Sure it will; no mention on how to run tractors, construction equipment, over the road trucks on batteries. You know the things that grown the food and transport it to keep us fed and the heavy equipment to build infrastructure.

Fdxlag2 12-22-2019 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Gordie H (Post 2943511)
...Bottomline is I can be wrong and no harm done. Your approach...you basically can't be wrong.

That the point there is harm to the renewable energy push. There is harm to the economy in slowed down development. It is reasonably argued that the California wildfires are due in large part to the cost of renewables taking money away from infrastructure improvements that could have prevented much of it.

sourdough44 12-24-2019 02:07 PM

I hope everyone realizes, if we shackle our economy, Russia, China, & the rest will laugh all the way to the BANK$$.

Look at it like an island overrun with rabbits, no predators. I seriously doubt we could stop any man made climate change anyway. That is, IF it was actually happening and we were the cause.

May as well chill a few IPA’s & carry on. People almost always need something to fret about, it’s part of the ‘human condition’.

The world will still be here in 30 years, in case you’re worried.

galaxy flyer 12-24-2019 06:50 PM

I try to be cynical, but it hard to keep up. Bloomberg spouts the party line on climate change, then boards his Falcon to fly to his house on Bermuda, the highest point is 249’ and the runway is a reclaimed reef. President Obama goes on about climate change and buys a $12 million house on Martha’s Vineyard, waterfront no less. DiCaprio jets around the world producing tons on worthless carbon emissions from his private jet. They are celebrated as being “woke” to the climate, but watch what they do, their revealed preferences. Average Joe Sixpack tows his bass boat behind his F-350 and is blamed for climate change.

When the loudest politicians actually act in concert with their words, I’ll take them seriously. I’m not arguing the science, I’m arguing the optics and the politics.

C130driver 12-25-2019 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 2944715)
I try to be cynical, but it hard to keep up. Bloomberg spouts the party line on climate change, then boards his Falcon to fly to his house on Bermuda, the highest point is 249’ and the runway is a reclaimed reef. President Obama goes on about climate change and buys a $12 million house on Martha’s Vineyard, waterfront no less. DiCaprio jets around the world producing tons on worthless carbon emissions from his private jet. They are celebrated as being “woke” to the climate, but watch what they do, their revealed preferences. Average Joe Sixpack tows his bass boat behind his F-350 and is blamed for climate change.

When the loudest politicians actually act in concert with their words, I’ll take them seriously. I’m not arguing the science, I’m arguing the optics and the politics.

Exactly. The argument is not whether climate change is real or not. Common sense tells us that reducing green house emissions isn’t a bad thing. The question is, how much do we want to strangle our economy and the quality of life for our citizens for what? 1-2 degrees of change in 10 years? In what alternate universe does that make sense? These economic and synergistic effects are things that Greta and AOC simply don’t have the experience nor mental fortitude to understand.

Mesabah 12-25-2019 08:37 AM

We found out the answer to that in France, the people started rioting. When history looks back on these events, the people who stopped the progress of nuclear power, will be the ones blamed for destroying the climate. In other words, it was the environmentalists who killed the planet, by trying to save it.

Trbopumper 12-25-2019 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by FlyBoyd (Post 719146)
So if I read between the lines Al Gore invented fraud?

Perfected, not Invented...

Slaphappy 12-25-2019 11:58 PM


Originally Posted by contrails12 (Post 2937833)
Using RT as a news source and dismissing an existential threat to humanity makes a lot of sense

Lol
Oh wait you're the same guy crying that illegals are detained at the border.
Not surprising your entire political compass is based on emotion rather than logic and reason.


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