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sailingfun 10-15-2022 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by SEPfield (Post 3512932)
My guess would be that it falls under the umbrella of per diem. What the airlines pay vs what the government sets as the daily rate. For instance in CHS Breeze pays $48 per day, the government approved rate is $79 for meals and incidentals alone. The approved lodging rate varies seasonally between $195-$238, so $216 average. so $216+$31= $247 per day approved non taxed travel expenses.
A pilot used to be able to claim the difference between company per diem and government per diem as well as certain lodging cost as a tax deduction.

You can’t be paid per Diem at your work domicile only when you are on the road. Unions have long explored all these options with very good tax attornies.

shortspatula 10-15-2022 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by chihuahua (Post 3512091)
So instead of just accepting reality back in January, they chose to build a bunch of bad will between the pilots and management, a bad reputation among the people who had their flights cancelled last minute earlier in the year, and have ALPA on property now, only to have to start acknowledging reality 8 months later and make some minor improvements.

Better late then never. It’s a good starting point for improvement. This place requires a lot of patience. Really contemplate the meaning of a startup before you come here. Day to day it’s basically new people leading new people. But the culture is awesome and it’s a great place to be as far as future growth.

BobbyLeeSwagger 10-15-2022 08:15 AM

I'd say it's a risky place to be as far as future growth... but glad you got the raise. I genuinely hope it works out, because if not, you'll have lost a ridiculous amount of potential seniority at legacy carriers. A ridiculous amount.

Swapapotamoose 10-15-2022 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3513012)
I'd say it's a risky place to be as far as future growth... but glad you got the raise. I genuinely hope it works out, because if not, you'll have lost a ridiculous amount of potential seniority at legacy carriers. A ridiculous amount.

I will respectfully disagree Mr. BLS. I have no doubt Breeze will be successful. The fact that they are the highest funded start up ever, during an all time demand for air travel, with the almost guaranteed colapse of the regional model, will provide immense opportunity for them to grow. In addition, a lot of ppl like to dog on “NeELeMan” but the truth is that, he has proven himself in this industry multiple times. He’s made friends in high places. Breeze will always attract investor interest. Legacies are great today but they also have their dark pasts of bankruptcies, labor conflicts etc….compound that with a likely lifetime of commuting (most ppl don’t want to move to the big “hub” cities) and you end up with a lot of ppl who just aren’t dying to go to a legacy carrier and who would likely end up at another LCC if Breeze didn’t make it.

sailingfun 10-15-2022 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose (Post 3513059)
I will respectfully disagree Mr. BLS. I have no doubt Breeze will be successful. The fact that they are the highest funded start up ever, during an all time demand for air travel, with the almost guaranteed colapse of the regional model, will provide immense opportunity for them to grow. In addition, a lot of ppl like to dog on “NeELeMan” but the truth is that, he has proven himself in this industry multiple times. He’s made friends in high places. Breeze will always attract investor interest. Legacies are great today but they also have their dark pasts of bankruptcies, labor conflicts etc….compound that with a likely lifetime of commuting (most ppl don’t want to move to the big “hub” cities) and you end up with a lot of ppl who just aren’t dying to go to a legacy carrier and who would likely end up at another LCC if Breeze didn’t make it.

So far Breeze has been his least successful startup. They have missed every target for both revenue and growth. As you mentioned in this market it’s hard not to make money as a airline. How will they do in the coming recession.

shortspatula 10-15-2022 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3513012)
I'd say it's a risky place to be as far as future growth... but glad you got the raise. I genuinely hope it works out, because if not, you'll have lost a ridiculous amount of potential seniority at legacy carriers. A ridiculous amount.

That’s very true but at least we got a taste of that ridiculous amount of seniority. I mean there’s crazy movement going on right now. If their plans come out to be true, we won’t be hiring the last Captain until 2 or 3 years from now for the overall fleet.

mkitrn 10-15-2022 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3513070)
So far Breeze has been his least successful startup. They have missed every target for both revenue and growth. As you mentioned in this market it’s hard not to make money as a airline. How will they do in the coming recession.

I think the greatest thing to happen to breeze would be a recession with slowing of hiring/furloughs at the legacies.

sailingfun 10-15-2022 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by mkitrn (Post 3513100)
I think the greatest thing to happen to breeze would be a recession with slowing of hiring/furloughs at the legacies.

Or he could pay market rates and establish industry standard work rules. Sadly however his success has always been based on enriching himself with labor paying for it. Hard for a Leopard to change his spots.

planejoe 10-15-2022 04:48 PM

Few questions I didn’t see pop up in the last few pages…

Do new hires get assigned A220? (Live close to TPA) So I guess Breeze could either be awesome or really not that great if having to commute.

If commuting are you allowed to jump seat on other airlines to get there or are you supposed to buy your tickets with the commuting bonus money?

Training is traditional or AQP?

TIA

shortspatula 10-15-2022 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3513247)
Few questions I didn’t see pop up in the last few pages…

Do new hires get assigned A220? (Live close to TPA) So I guess Breeze could either be awesome or really not that great if having to commute.

If commuting are you allowed to jump seat on other airlines to get there or are you supposed to buy your tickets with the commuting bonus money?

Training is traditional or AQP?

TIA

Traditional training. New hires get the A220. We have jumpseat agreements, no need to spend money to get to base.


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