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WHACKMASTER 02-19-2025 03:30 AM


Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose (Post 3884315)
Yep! But for $350 an hr plus 18% 401 I’ll sit reserve on my couch.

I didn’t get pay protected as a captain when I was forced to downgrade “transitioning” over to SWA. I would genuinely hope the same wouldn't happen to you.

leftapproved 02-19-2025 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3884289)
Morris Air was a time long ago. I don't think WN is in a position to be buying anything right now.

Let me fix this...

WN has over 9 BILLION in cash. They also CANT afford to not make a move.

B6 would be a sticky merger. Too much airbus offloading, NYC and BOS bs to deal with. Breeze is a clean sheet. Unestablished union. 73-7 sized aircraft that satisfy wallstreet and prevent another MAX grounding disaster. Large presence in TPA, RSW, CHS, BDL, PVD, LAS..... it's almost like.... wait for it.... those are VERY POPULAR WN STATIONS. End rant.

Swapapotamoose 02-19-2025 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3884322)
I didn’t get pay protected as a captain when I was forced to downgrade “transitioning” over to SWA. I would genuinely hope the same wouldn't happen to you.

I left breeze a few years ago, currently at a legacy but I have tranny friends who went through it when SWA bought y’all.

hoover 02-20-2025 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by leftapproved (Post 3884351)
Let me fix this...

WN has over 9 BILLION in cash. They also CANT afford to not make a move.

B6 would be a sticky merger. Too much airbus offloading, NYC and BOS bs to deal with. Breeze is a clean sheet. Unestablished union. 73-7 sized aircraft that satisfy wallstreet and prevent another MAX grounding disaster. Large presence in TPA, RSW, CHS, BDL, PVD, LAS..... it's almost like.... wait for it.... those are VERY POPULAR WN STATIONS. End rant.

WN would need 500 220 to prevent a max grounding disaster. They would not survive on breezes 220 alone or their orders. WN is all in on the max weather it's a good idea or not

sailingfun 02-21-2025 03:37 AM


Originally Posted by BlueJuice01 (Post 3884286)
Rather be stuck at the bottom of a legacy , than stapled to the bottom of a non ALPA seniority list! ☠️

It's inevitable that Breeze is about to become WNs regional offshoot.

WN's contract as well as all the major airlines prevents operating a airline with aircraft greater than 76 seats as a separate entity.

sailingfun 02-21-2025 03:41 AM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 3885141)
WN would need 500 220 to prevent a max grounding disaster. They would not survive on breezes 220 alone or their orders. WN is all in on the max weather it's a good idea or not

There is more and more discussion that Airbus wants to terminate the A220 program at some point. The A330-900 is also facing questions. This might likely coincide with a decision by Airbus to design a new narrow body.

bonvoyage 02-21-2025 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3885315)
There is more and more discussion that Airbus wants to terminate the A220 program at some point. The A330-900 is also facing questions. This might likely coincide with a decision by Airbus to design a new narrow body.

A clean sheet transport category airplane takes 15+ years to design and certify. The A220 isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Where have you seen discussion that Airbus is going to terminate the A220 program?

PNWFlyer 02-21-2025 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by bonvoyage (Post 3885441)
A clean sheet transport category airplane takes 15+ years to design and certify. The A220 isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. Where have you seen discussion that Airbus is going to terminate the A220 program?

Airbus isn’t going to come out and say that. You have to look at what they are saying and put it together. It is a fact they produce A220s at a loss. They need to stop that. If they can’t what do you think a company is going to do? Also look at how many net orders there were for the A220 last year.

BlueJuice01 02-21-2025 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3885314)
WN's contract as well as all the major airlines prevents operating a airline with aircraft greater than 76 seats as a separate entity.

So how will Alaskan operate Hawaiian as a separate entity under the parent company in a subsidiary sense as promised ?

My main point separate to this , is if WN bought breeze. The Breeze seniority list would be stapled to the bottom of WNs. There's no need for seniority list integration, WN is not ALPA , doesn't legally need to abide by ALPAs terms and conditions for a SLI.

bonvoyage 02-21-2025 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by BlueJuice01 (Post 3885637)
So how will Alaskan operate Hawaiian as a separate entity under the parent company in a subsidiary sense as promised ?

My main point separate to this , is if WN bought breeze. The Breeze seniority list would be stapled to the bottom of WNs. There's no need for seniority list integration, WN is not ALPA , doesn't legally need to abide by ALPAs terms and conditions for a SLI.

Even David acknowledges MaCaskill Bond. We won’t be stapled, an arbitrator will define how we are integrated into their list. Those hired at the very top here will be sitting pretty it always works that way

https://vlex.com/vid/seniority-integ...tute-351067646


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