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Old 01-31-2019 | 10:48 AM
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Go to a WO airline with flow. Problem solved.
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Old 01-31-2019 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mketch11
Go to a WO airline with flow. Problem solved.
WO? Sorry. Not familiar with the lingo.
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Old 01-31-2019 | 11:20 AM
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Wholly Owned. As in a regional that is owned by a major. Those currently with contractual flow aggrements would include Envoy, Piedmont, or PSA. No second interview required at the major if you go this route.
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Old 01-31-2019 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mketch11
Wholly Owned. As in a regional that is owned by a major. Those currently with contractual flow aggrements would include Envoy, Piedmont, or PSA. No second interview required at the major if you go this route.
Ok. So I'm guessing the arrest wouldn't come up or be an issue with these regionals? Sorry if I sound ignorant, but if its owned by a major would the interviewing process not be the same? I guess I'm assuming that after 9/11 any airline industry job, especially that of a pilot would involve federal background check.
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Old 01-31-2019 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackcrowe
Ok. So I'm guessing the arrest wouldn't come up or be an issue with these regionals? Sorry if I sound ignorant, but if its owned by a major would the interviewing process not be the same? I guess I'm assuming that after 9/11 any airline industry job, especially that of a pilot would involve federal background check.
No problem. The interview process is done by the regional and not affiliated with the major in this case. So here is the scenario, the online job application asks you if you have been arrested and what for. An airline may not call you for an interview based on this information that you give. I would assume a major airline would have thousands of other qualified applicants without said blemishes who they would call first. A regional, on the other hand, may be looking to hire just about anyone with the qualifications depending on the hiring environment. I’m not saying that this is the case now, but I know 100% for a fact, from a friend, that a class B misdemeanor for shoplifting will not disqualify you from becoming an airline pilot for one of these regionals, again, assuming the hiring environment is in your favor. This is without an expunged record with a pretrial diversion. The hopes for the major airline down the road would be, in my estimation, that 6 years or so as a responsible regional airline pilot, without incident, would be more of an indication of your ability to be a responsible major airline pilot than a past transgression such as this. Lastly, depending on the state, an expunged record may mean that you are not legally required to answer in the affirmative if asked about the expunged arrest/crime unless you are under oath in front of a judge being specifically asked. I would be cautious about this approach as an FBI background/fingerprint check will likely still pull up the information. Many will say it’s better to be upfront and not get the job, then to seem like you are trying to hide something and maybe that ruins your chances at the next company. And fyi, my friend was never asked about the arrest in the actual interview after disclosing it on the application. This is likely due to some type of HR/legal type of thing that the company was being cautious about. That’s my guess anyway. Bottom line, it can be done. Good luck to you
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Old 01-31-2019 | 04:27 PM
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Shoplifting at 33?

I wouldn't hire him to house sit and feed the family dog for a three day weekend, far less to be up front shooting an approach to minimums with my family in the seats in back. And no, I don't want to hear the excuses nor do I care to walk a mile in his mocassins.

At some point in your life you either have grown up or you aren't going to. What that exact age is that you actually become RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS has been debated a lot, both socially and legally, old enough to marry, old enough to be drafted, old enough to vote, old enough to buy beer or cigarettes, or a firearm. The exact age may differ from state to state, but in no state is it as old as 33 years.
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Old 01-31-2019 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mketch11
. Lastly, depending on the state, an expunged record may mean that you are not legally required to answer in the affirmative if asked about the expunged arrest/crime unless you are under oath in front of a judge being specifically asked.
Yes. That was the deal. He can legally deny the arrest and all its details except for when under oath in front of a judge. But that doesnt matter if the airlines protocol is to run an FBI check. He first needs to find out what comes up with an FBI background check.
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Old 01-31-2019 | 06:23 PM
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In the end, fair or unfair, there will be 100 applicants ahead of you that WON'T have the explain away a thief charge.
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Old 01-31-2019 | 07:22 PM
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This story might be true, but I have a hard time believing it. I worked "security" at a retail store before and it is pointless. Day one, they teach us that we cannot detain anyone. We can only ask them to stay in the store until the cops come. I was actually hired to replace a guy they fired who told a young teenager caught shoplifting that they had to stay in the back office util the cops came. His parents sued the store for false imprisonment. A few weeks later, I got in trouble for following a passenger pushing a cart full of PS3's (or 4's) worth over $6,000 out the store. My boss said once a person leaves the store I can't "harass" them.

While I don't expect your brother to know that store security has no more power than a hall monitor, a lawyer should have. If his story is true, then he must have pi$$ed off the store manager enough to cause him to press charges. In either case, if I'm hiring pilots, I want ones that have good conflict resolution skills and enough judgment to know when to hire a good lawyer. He is going to spend $40,000-$80,000 to learn to fly, so if he couldn't afford a lawyer, then he probably does not have enough money to finish his flight training.
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Old 01-31-2019 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Um, no. They will not want to hear about how your crime was justified, even in the context of the time. The only acceptable answer when asked is that it was a mistake, you learned from it, and are a changed person. Seriously you have to convince them you've truly changed, they won't hire you otherwise. Mitigation, if you were young, can be that you ran with the wrong crowd, folks understand how that can happen with youth.
Problem is there really is NO excuse at 33. That’s all I was saying. The updated details sounds suspect too, so I’m still backing my “spin”. Also, WO have requirements to meet with people who CAN be hired by the majors. They have specific interview / min requirements run by their “bigger brother”.

Good luck, but I wouldn’t invest money in this career unless a rich uncle can get you a corporate gig.
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