Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 2818673)
And when I interviewed there were 4 women. 3 were check airmen at their regional too. At the end of the day, only 1 was hired.
If there really was a conspiracy to put women above men, then someone forgot to tell the interviewers because they sent 2 women home that had higher qualifications than me.
Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 2818795)
Exactly the point. Nothing exists to support claims of discrimination against white males in pilot hiring.
So let’s put the issue to bed and stop complaining about how hard it is for a white dude in aviation. I can take the rest of your day and all of tomorrow accounting in great detail personal experiences of women (and minorities) hired because they were women and minorities, when they were not the best candidate by any metric, when those hirings displaced others who were more qualified. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 2818942)
It goes both ways. There are well qualified women who will always get discounted when people assume they got the job because they were female.
Au contraire. I can take the rest of your day and all of tomorrow accounting in great detail personal experiences of women (and minorities) hired because they were women and minorities, when they were not the best candidate by any metric, when those hirings displaced others who were more qualified. |
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 2818838)
Everyone knows why United has a higher percentage. But American and Delta are literally within a fraction of a percent. That means Delta and American have about 6 more women than you would statistically expect. Is that really worth the butthurt?
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Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 2818941)
You’re right, I can’t provide statistics about sexual harassment, discouragement, assumptions of incompetence, social isolation, etc.
I’m not even sure how you’d ask me to quantify that. So you decided to reply to my request for facts with ... anecdotes. |
Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 2818947)
I wonder if any man was ever hired when he wasn’t the “most qualified.” I was hired with almost zero TPIC and way before longtime LCAs, reps, special projects people, MBAs, veterans, and compelling personalities that I worked with while building time. Was it my gender that got me the job? Or do you just not take offense to that because I lack anything that identifies me physically as having “displaced” my betters?
I can tell you that when applying for a particular government assignment, I didn't ask for preferential points under any category. When I followed up on the application, I was asked if I wanted to update my application to show anything that qualified with "preference points." No, I didn't. Was I gay? Female? Ethnic? Veteran? Handicapped? I said I declined to cite for preference points. Thanks for applying, but without those points, not a chance. I was by far the most qualified applicant they had, far and away. I was told "If you were a handicapped lesbian veteran, we'd have a look." Like I said, we can go on all day long with personal experience upon personal experience and observation, over many, many years. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 2819002)
I said nothing of taking offense.
I can tell you that when applying for a particular government assignment, I didn't ask for preferential points under any category. When I followed up on the application, I was asked if I wanted to update my application to show anything that qualified with "preference points." No, I didn't. Was I gay? Female? Ethnic? Veteran? Handicapped? I said I declined to cite for preference points. Thanks for applying, but without those points, not a chance. I was by far the most qualified applicant they had, far and away. I was told "If you were a handicapped lesbian veteran, we'd have a look." Like I said, we can go on all day long with personal experience upon personal experience and observation, over many, many years. |
Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 2818964)
Because you’ve been complaining about guys relying on anecdote rather than statistics when it came to preferential hiring.
So you decided to reply to my request for facts with ... anecdotes. |
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
(Post 2819002)
I said nothing of taking offense.
I can tell you that when applying for a particular government assignment, I didn't ask for preferential points under any category. When I followed up on the application, I was asked if I wanted to update my application to show anything that qualified with "preference points." No, I didn't. Was I gay? Female? Ethnic? Veteran? Handicapped? I said I declined to cite for preference points. Thanks for applying, but without those points, not a chance. I was by far the most qualified applicant they had, far and away. I was told "If you were a handicapped lesbian veteran, we'd have a look." Like I said, we can go on all day long with personal experience upon personal experience and observation, over many, many years. |
Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 2819013)
We are talking about pilot hiring, not government service.
Originally Posted by ChecklistMonkey
(Post 2819035)
I feel like if the HR manager told you that regarding being a "handicapped lesbian veteran" (something I highly doubt anyone would ever tell you), then maybe you weren't as qualified as you thought you were.
And absolutely yes, I was told that while I'd have been a shoe-in as a handicapped lesbian veteran with ethnic preference, I was told that they appreciated the application as it made their pick look better, and I was told that without the preference points, zero chance. It wasn't my first time around the block; I spent a big chunk of my life in that line of work. Accordingly, I don't really care what you feel like. You weren't there. |
There's always been discrimination, Ive noticed people respond to it with a conventional wisdom. It feels perfectly right, when a mil guy or the chief pilots son slides into a legacy with relatively low time. A no name minority getting the same treatment makes peoples blood boil. Lots of big egos in this biz.
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