121 failure
 

I just finished a failure with an untrained captain and who is going for upgrade and myself. The captain programmed the fms wrong, disregarded a checklist coming into land, then him turned the wrong way while I was working head down during taxi. How can I fail from this?. How much does this affect me? I had one fail in private training and now one now on my ATP checkride. I'm sick to my stomach. The captain wants to try and challenge it because it was caused by the sim instructor changing everything as we were walking in the sim then giving us 200kt winds so we had no time to set up. Can you even protest an iacra checkride?

At any point during this checkride did you voice your concerns to any of the above actions?
You most likely won’t hear from FedEx, UPS, Delta, United, American, Southwest, jetBlue, Spirit, Or any reputable well paying 121 carrier for some time. Especially not if you tell the story as you did(‘it was the other guys fault’).
Hopefully the both of you work better together in protest of the ride than you did when you were on the ride!

I protested that something didn't look right on his fms but I could not pick what it was. With the decent checklist i called for it but I got lost in everything that it wasn't done as we were trying to get ready for a cat 2 approach. I absolutely could be better I'm not saying that, just it is hard to swallow at the moment.

I think all or at least almost all of us have had the 200 kt TW in the sim to speed things up in a LOE. Generally isn’t a problem if you guys are preparing things in advance... But I can see how that could devolve into a mess if the crew wasn’t prepared.

SkyWest? From what I’ve heard it sounds like some of their sim instructors.


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If it’s a legit failure and you 2 go crying thinking you were screwed, you might be looking for a new carrier all together at the end of it. Not saying don’t protest if they actually did you wrong, but I honestly don’t think that was the case.

You said he turned the wrong way while you were heads down on taxi. I can see them easily saying that you’re just at as much fault as he was. Same with the FMS and the checklist. It’s your certificate at stake as well as his when you’re on the line. If you’re seeing something wrong you need to address it until it’s fixed. You can’t just say, something looks funny here, and move on.

Biggest thing is if this failure sticks you’re going to have to fix your story. Unless you’re at a carrier with flow, you won’t get through an interview at anyone better than ULCC. The failure is on your record so it’s your learning experience. Gotta own it.

Do your best to pass the re-check. If you don't and get fired it will cause even bigger problems for you.

Out of curiosity, do you think you’ll share responsibility once online if the Capt. turns the wrong way or hits something while taxiing, or if he programs the FMS wrong and you don’t catch it?

Your job is to be the voice that says “we're rushing....let’s do a turn in holding or get re-vectored....something isn’t right with your FMS”.....in a 2 pilot airplane, the blame is shared....you knew something wasn’t right and continued the approach....is that how you’d you do it on a dark and stormy night when it’s not a video game and there’s 75 passengers behind you?

You need to own it....you screwed up. Pass the re-check, and move on.

Pilot monitoring...


monitor
verb [ T ]
UK /ˈmɒn.ɪ.tər/ US /ˈmɑː.nə.t̬ɚ/

C1
to watch and check a situation carefully for a period of time in order to discover something about it:


monitoring


Supervising activities in progress to ensure they are on-course and on-schedule in meeting the objectives and performance targets.

The one I can think of is actually a pretty good guy and good instructor. But he has utterly no mercy on weak sisters. And I'm OK with that.