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Captelmo 11-20-2019 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2926785)
Hang on...were you briefed on how to do one?
As stated earlier you can’t be tested on what’s not trained so I’m thinking we’ve got a mountain of misunderstanding here.
What did your sim partner think of it?
If it was considered a “briefing only” item then technically you’ve been trained.
But I don’t know how the training syllabus was set up.
I’m thinking there’s something you’re overlooking.
Again, what do you consider a visual approach and how was it set up?
Straight in 10 mile final starting at 3000’?


My sim partner had previous jet time so he didn’t mind that.

Also it was a charted visual

TiredSoul 11-20-2019 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by Captelmo (Post 2927295)
My sim partner had previous jet time so he didn’t mind that.

Also it was a charted visual

Don’t blame it on the Jet time or lack thereof.
We’re sitting here taking time out of our day to answer you and help you and we have to piecemeal this together.
Now you’re giving us another piece of info that would have been useful.
This is getting annoying.
If it’s anything like this one:

http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/oswg/kjfk%20rnav%20visual%20rwy%2013l.pdf

You either build it in the box or you fly it as you would fly a VOR approach with step downs.
Go-around once - ok
Go-around twice - problem as you now need to start looking at fuel and either requesting another runway or divert to alternate.
Lots of tunnel vision going on in the sim, I suffer from it myself greatly.
Never, EVER forget that in the sim you’re being evaluated on what you would do in REAL life.

galaxy flyer 11-20-2019 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Captelmo (Post 2926016)
I’m early 20’s. 1500 hours, also failed my checkride because of a visual approach, never practiced visuals in the sim before. First time doing a visual in a jet was on my checkride

Hate to say, but we’ll be seeing more of this as 1500 pilots without any significant jet experience jump into a jet. Many can do it, others can’t WITHOUT getting some training/experience like flying a turboprop at cargo operation.

It’s a real failing in the US system where somehow magically 1500 hours makes you an airline pilot. I’m not a huge fan of the Euro MPL idea, but before jumping in a jet, there must be structured training AND line experience.

Instead of immediately jumping at Mesa, find cargo op like AMF or decent jet charter operation, build some jet experience.

GF

dera 11-20-2019 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Captelmo (Post 2927295)
My sim partner had previous jet time so he didn’t mind that.

Also it was a charted visual

Let me guess. Mt Vernon visual to DCA?

TiredSoul 11-20-2019 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2927356)
Let me guess. Mt Vernon visual to DCA?

It’s got recommended altitude on the chart at DME distances.
Step downs a la VOR/DME approach.

DanMarino 11-20-2019 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by TiredSoul (Post 2927312)
Don’t either requesting another runway or divert to alternate.

How would this help when the issue is not executing a visual approach to touchdown?

pangolin 11-21-2019 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by Peabody17 (Post 2926580)
I don’t believe you’re allowed to use a backup (e.g. ILS) for the visual approach on a rating ride.

Wrong. All depends on the APD.

rickair7777 11-21-2019 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by DanMarino (Post 2927398)
How would this help when the issue is not executing a visual approach to touchdown?

If it was AQP LOE, then you should divert, since it's treated like an actual flight. The examiner can then fast-forward and simulate refueling to move things along. But under AQP you have to obey all the regs. Might still run out of time to complete everything, you can fail for that but better to risk going into overtime than sudden-death.

For a PC, which is task-oriented, you could just keep trying since the fuel load is usually frozen anyway.

TiredSoul 11-21-2019 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by DanMarino (Post 2927398)
How would this help when the issue is not executing a visual approach to touchdown?

Visual approach to another runway?
Recognizing your limitations and not beating a dead horse till you run out of gas?
If I can’t land on this runway for whatever the reason I’ll request another runway or go to an alternate.
Doesn’t matter if Chuck Yeager 3 miles in trail does make it in.
Point is that you need to maintain your situational awareness.
Again, act and respond as you would in real life.

Red Forman 11-21-2019 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by FLT000 (Post 2926352)
Go find a right seat 91/135 job and learn all you can.

No thank you.


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