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Old 01-02-2020, 09:52 AM
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Currently left seat flying turboprops for 135 freight and closing in on 1500TT; in my early 30's. Company has a "flow" agreement with a ULCC that would require approximately two more years here. Any suggestions about staying to go to the ULCC or moving on to the regionals at 1500 to start building 121 time and upgrading much sooner?
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Old 01-02-2020, 11:12 AM
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What's your goal?
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Old 01-02-2020, 11:56 AM
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What's your goal?
Having never done 121, I'd like to see if I enjoy it; get the training, experience, 1000 hours of 121 TPIC and then see. My main goal getting into international ops.
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Old 01-02-2020, 07:46 PM
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Having never done 121, I'd like to see if I enjoy it; get the training, experience, 1000 hours of 121 TPIC and then see. My main goal getting into international ops.
Check out the cargo section of these forums. Some of the lower tier less desirable places to work may very well take you at 1500 hours. You could find yourself in a 747 or 767 doing international trips. However, it'd be better to go the regional route and then eventually to a major where you could get some international time.

Go to the safety forum and read about the Atlas Crash near Houston. Scroll down and look at the Copilot's work history. That's why I say you could probably get on with a carrier like that, question is would you want to?
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Old 01-02-2020, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear View Post
Check out the cargo section of these forums. Some of the lower tier less desirable places to work may very well take you at 1500 hours. You could find yourself in a 747 or 767 doing international trips. However, it'd be better to go the regional route and then eventually to a major where you could get some international time.

Go to the safety forum and read about the Atlas Crash near Houston. Scroll down and look at the Copilot's work history. That's why I say you could probably get on with a carrier like that, question is would you want to?
I'm aware of companies like Atlas. International ops is a long-term goal. My main question is which route (of the two mentioned in my OP) would make more sense to get into 121?
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Old 01-02-2020, 08:24 PM
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I'm aware of companies like Atlas. International ops is a long-term goal. My main question is which route (of the two mentioned in my OP) would make more sense to get into 121?
Not impossible to go to a ULCC out of 135 ops but a whole lot easier to go there from a regional. And in my experience at least, you accumulate flying hours at a regional a whole lot quicker than at most 135 freight operators. And while 1500 hours will get you to Atlas maybe, 1500 (or even 2500) is sort of low to be competitive for most of the more desirable options. You need someplace you can crank 800+ of block time a year for two or three years, preferably without a commute.
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Old 01-03-2020, 07:14 PM
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Not impossible to go to a ULCC out of 135 ops but a whole lot easier to go there from a regional. And in my experience at least, you accumulate flying hours at a regional a whole lot quicker than at most 135 freight operators. And while 1500 hours will get you to Atlas maybe, 1500 (or even 2500) is sort of low to be competitive for most of the more desirable options. You need someplace you can crank 800+ of block time a year for two or three years, preferably without a commute.
Building time (quality time) is definitely my biggest priority at this stage.
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If I were you, I would figure out what a ‘top tier’ regional is to you, and apply there.
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