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Excargodog 02-23-2020 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by 3000 (Post 2982073)
I wasn't aware of the rules. I still don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to ask the same question in more than one place.


Rule number one:

Stop digging.

3000 02-23-2020 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2982069)
With Canada, if it's been five years and you pay the (hefty) fee, odds are very high that you'll get your "rehabilitation". Then you can reasonably get hired at any regional. It's possible that some regionals may be desperate enough to hire you and just keep you off CA trips, but that's a real hard-spot with a seniority system so I kind of doubt it. Some WILL allow you to keep your job if you get a DUI while already employed, but I doubt many want to hire someone who cannot enter CA.

You'd definitely need to be rehabed for any major job I would think. Plus you'll have an uphill (but not insurmountable) battle just with the DUI history.

If you don't/can't get rehabilitated, you'd have to look for a regional which does not fly to canada, which is going to be only a handful, probably like Silver down in south FL.

Thanks for your response. I think it's gonna be a tough battle for me since even though the DUI happened 3 and a half years ago, the probation only ended like 6 months ago.

rickair7777 02-23-2020 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by 3000 (Post 2982096)
Thanks for your response. I think it's gonna be a tough battle for me since even though the DUI happened 3 and a half years ago, the probation only ended like 6 months ago.

Research the regionals, if none will take you (which have suitable bases for you) you can do corporate while you run the clock out. Might pay better than regionals anyway, although you might still want to do regionals when you can to progress your airline career. Depends on what the majors are looking for when you get to that point.

rickair7777 02-23-2020 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by 3000 (Post 2982089)
That makes sense. I wasn't very familiar with this. Now, I notices everybody is bashing Mesa Airlines. What's the deal with Mesa?

They're awful. It would take hours to explain it all.

But if they'll take you, that may be your best bet.

Air Guitar 02-23-2020 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2982113)
They're awful. It would take hours to explain it all.

But if they'll take you, that may be your best bet.

Think of it this way, anything that would motivate someone to choose Mesa(phx or dfw base, fast CA upgrade, opportunity for OT flying, pay) can be achieved better elsewhere.

As it was expressed above, if they'll take you, that might be your best bet. Some pills you just have to swallow and accept.

galaxy flyer 02-23-2020 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by 3000 (Post 2982073)
I wasn't aware of the rules. I thought I could ask the same question in different airline forums to get insight from people involved with all those different airlines. I still don't see why one shouldn't be allowed to ask the same question in more than one place.

The first rule of aviation is RTFR, Read. The, *******ing. Rules. It’s a highly regulated industry, piles of paperwork, mountains of reading, and a assumption that you’ll do the work prior to showtime.

ItnStln 02-23-2020 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2981902)
Careful. Some arrests will show up on the FBI database. And they probably will not be expunged from that... it's a national security system, not a public record. DUIs do show up there.

Would this show on an FBI check that someone had done on themself?

Ihateusernames 02-23-2020 01:01 PM

https://accinfosys.com/expunged-reco...-check-report/

rickair7777 02-23-2020 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2982233)
Would this show on an FBI check that someone had done on themself?

I believe that if you FOIA yourself, you should get anything that the airlines might see.

Be aware that regionals probably just do the bare minimum, ie SIDA check.

But majors (especially top-tier) may use commercial databases which capture court records at all levels (most of which are online) and resell that data. That could include expunged records, if they were captured before the expungement. The legality of using that sort of info varies by state.

Due to the complexity of the situation with court records and the federal Db, the conventional wisdom is if in doubt, disclose it. Generally it's better to not get hired, than to accept a job and then get fired later. Back in the day it was common to lose one regional new-hire per class to background issues which popped up during training. Less common at majors (some may do the checks before granting a class date).

You can always ask a lawyer, but get one who understands airline aviation issues.

If anybody knows for sure (varies by state anyway) I haven't heard from them.

rickair7777 02-23-2020 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Ihateusernames (Post 2982239)

This is good info, but bear in mind it does not address the FBI Db, which most private-sector employers do not have access to.

The FBI may does not expunge any records since their purpose is investigations and national security, not public records. Even if they're supposed, the judicial record system is a hodge-podge of systems run by low-paid government clerks at federal, state, and local levels. Ie, not necessarily reliable.


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