1 PPL and two 121 failures, Looking for help
06-01-2022 | 05:45 AM
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From: We Need To Talk About Your Flare
Most, if not all, will ask you to complete a request for Pilot Records Database release (formerly known as PRIA).
Finding a part 135 operator willing to take you on would be my recommendation. Browse the Part 135 section on here and start reading.
06-01-2022 | 07:23 AM
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I did the mistake of selecting an airline well-known for its failure and washout rates for my first 121. The training was sub-par. The instructors were all great, as well as the LCA's who did my evaluations. However, the problem was that there was no standardization. During my checkride, the APD said I did things wrong (which the instructors told me to do). There are other things, but I wont go there. I was asked to resign, which I did. More than half my class also failed something along the way, with all the remaining requiring extra training, and a small minority (me included) asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
06-01-2022 | 07:44 AM
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06-01-2022 | 01:16 PM
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Update: I've been offered an interview for ATR captain on the other side of the country. However, I'm still waiting on other airlines/recommendations before I jump the gun and have to relocate.
06-01-2022 | 01:32 PM
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(2) It wasn't me. It was them. Dismissive.
(8) It couldn't possibly be me. It was them. I was a rock star. It doesn't matter how I was evaluated by check airmen, or an APD. It's not possible for me to fail if I know my flows. I know "triggers," (whatever those are). C'mon. I got the call-outs down pat. That's worth something, right? Besides, my flying was good. It's the fault of the check airmen who failed to recognize that. Denial.
(10). It wasn't me. It was them. It wasn't my flying. That was good. It was all them. I'm a new hire, first job, new pilot with no experience, being evaluated by check airmen and designated examiners, but it was all their fault. I was a rock star. Their training was ****-poor. I've seen better (where?). It was their non-standardization, and let me tell you, as a guy that's never worked as a pilot before and is new to all of this 'standardization' business, I know standardization. After all, it was their **** poor standardization that cost me a checkride. I was a rock star. Accusatory. Blame game. Finger pointing. Denial.
(12) Eleven times I just explained and emphasized that it is NOT my fault, but the fault of the airline (it's not me, it's them, in case you missed it the first eleven times), but I intend to lie in an interview, though I'm convinced it's a lie and that I'm in the right. Remember, it's not me, it's them. I'll just say it's me. I've been able to convince myself through utter denial. I should have no trouble selling this lie long enough to get the new job...and because I'm a rock star and it's not me, but them, I'll blow through training at the next place with top honors. After all, it's not me, it's them.
Not one Part 121 training failure, but two? Two different companies, or the same one? We understand if you don't want to bore us with the details. What really counts is that you'll lie briefly in an interview and take the high road by accepting blame, and that you can get advice to get you in somewhere, with three training failures under your belt.
The other 121 training failure...whose fault was that one?
06-04-2022 | 06:08 AM
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True, but he’s not wrong. I thought the same things when reading the original post.
Decades of advice on here is to own your mistakes and learn from them. The OP can recover his/her career and move on, but has to own up to the failures and get an attitude change.
Decades of advice on here is to own your mistakes and learn from them. The OP can recover his/her career and move on, but has to own up to the failures and get an attitude change.
06-04-2022 | 06:56 AM
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06-04-2022 | 07:19 AM
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I did the mistake of selecting an airline well-known for its failure and washout rates for my first 121. The training was sub-par. The instructors were all great, as well as the LCA's who did my evaluations. However, the problem was that there was no standardization. During my checkride, the APD said I did things wrong (which the instructors told me to do). There are other things, but I wont go there. I was asked to resign, which I did. More than half my class also failed something along the way, with all the remaining requiring extra training, and a small minority (me included) asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
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