1 PPL and two 121 failures, Looking for help
06-01-2022, 05:45 AM
#11
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Joined APC: Jan 2021
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Originally Posted by JMarco9111
. . . Just got attracted to the quick indoc start date, and thinking "it can't happen to me"
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
Do 135 Ops require you to disclose 121 failures?
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
I think building SIC then turbine PIC at a 135 isn't a bad idea, then move onto a LCC/major. Bit better QOL. Any recommendations?
06-01-2022, 07:23 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by JMarco9111
I did the mistake of selecting an airline well-known for its failure and washout rates for my first 121. The training was sub-par. The instructors were all great, as well as the LCA's who did my evaluations. However, the problem was that there was no standardization. During my checkride, the APD said I did things wrong (which the instructors told me to do). There are other things, but I wont go there. I was asked to resign, which I did. More than half my class also failed something along the way, with all the remaining requiring extra training, and a small minority (me included) asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
06-01-2022, 07:44 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Go to Mesa. They usually have good luck turning other airlines broken toys into pilots for them.
06-01-2022, 01:32 PM
#15
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Originally Posted by JMarco9111
I did the mistake of selecting an airline well-known for its failure and washout rates for my first 121.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
The training was sub-par.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
The instructors were all great, as well as the LCA's who did my evaluations. However, the problem was that there was no standardization.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
During my checkride, the APD said I did things wrong (which the instructors told me to do).
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
There are other things, but I wont go there. I was asked to resign, which I did.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
More than half my class also failed something along the way, with all the remaining requiring extra training, and a small minority (me included) asked to resign.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
Not one Part 121 training failure, but two? Two different companies, or the same one? We understand if you don't want to bore us with the details. What really counts is that you'll lie briefly in an interview and take the high road by accepting blame, and that you can get advice to get you in somewhere, with three training failures under your belt.
The other 121 training failure...whose fault was that one?
06-04-2022, 06:08 AM
#17
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Joined APC: Jul 2019
Posts: 196
Originally Posted by ninerdriver
Holy ****, dude. Get a hobby.
Decades of advice on here is to own your mistakes and learn from them. The OP can recover his/her career and move on, but has to own up to the failures and get an attitude change.
06-04-2022, 06:56 AM
#18
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,522
Originally Posted by Dixie320
True, but he’s not wrong. I thought the same things when reading the original post.
Decades of advice on here is to own your mistakes and learn from them. The OP can recover his/her career and move on, but has to own up to the failures and get an attitude change.
Decades of advice on here is to own your mistakes and learn from them. The OP can recover his/her career and move on, but has to own up to the failures and get an attitude change.
/ten
06-04-2022, 07:19 AM
#19
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,683
Originally Posted by JMarco9111
I did the mistake of selecting an airline well-known for its failure and washout rates for my first 121. The training was sub-par. The instructors were all great, as well as the LCA's who did my evaluations. However, the problem was that there was no standardization. During my checkride, the APD said I did things wrong (which the instructors told me to do). There are other things, but I wont go there. I was asked to resign, which I did. More than half my class also failed something along the way, with all the remaining requiring extra training, and a small minority (me included) asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
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