1 PPL and two 121 failures, Looking for help
05-31-2022, 04:15 PM
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1 PPL and two 121 failures, Looking for help
I did the mistake of selecting an airline well-known for its failure and washout rates for my first 121. The training was sub-par. The instructors were all great, as well as the LCA's who did my evaluations. However, the problem was that there was no standardization. During my checkride, the APD said I did things wrong (which the instructors told me to do). There are other things, but I wont go there. I was asked to resign, which I did. More than half my class also failed something along the way, with all the remaining requiring extra training, and a small minority (me included) asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
05-31-2022, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
Well, if the failure wasn’t your fault, the judgement to go an airline multiple sources warned you about certainly was.
Originally Posted by jaxsurf
What made you choose that airline despite the warnings?
Maybe get on with a 135?
Maybe get on with a 135?
Do 135 Ops require you to disclose 121 failures?
I think building SIC then turbine PIC at a 135 isn't a bad idea, then move onto a LCC/major. Bit better QOL. Any recommendations?
05-31-2022, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JMarco9111
I did the mistake of selecting an airline well-known for its failure and washout rates for my first 121. The training was sub-par. The instructors were all great, as well as the LCA's who did my evaluations. However, the problem was that there was no standardization. During my checkride, the APD said I did things wrong (which the instructors told me to do). There are other things, but I wont go there. I was asked to resign, which I did. More than half my class also failed something along the way, with all the remaining requiring extra training, and a small minority (me included) asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
I applied to other airlines now, with only getting rejection letters left and right, even for go-jet.
To keep things short and anonymous, the training was absolutely not an issue for me. I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying, as I have a bachelors degree and am almost finishing up my JD law degree. It was the poor training and non-standardization that failed me. I know you guys dont like the person not taking the blame, but trust me when I tell you it is the airline's training. If you were here, or went here, you would know what I am talking about. But of course in interviews I would say it is my fault.
I regret coming to this airline, even when multiple people on APC DM'd and warned me before joining, telling me about their experience. My friends who went to Republic/Piedmont/Endeavor/Mesa/Envoy and had nothing but positives to say about the training quality and they all made it, even the ones I knew were poor pilots.
Now, I am asking for advice on how to move forward with one PPL failure and two 121 failures on my record + being asked to resign.
You haven't gotten multiple DM's from APC about it given you joined what, 5 days ago?
Few days ago you were making a "transition" from CRJ to ERJ. Given the list, you leave out PSA and SkyWest as possible culprits, and let's face it, neither has a reputation on failing people on purpose, nor do they fail "half" of their classes.
Trolls are gonna troll here it seems.
06-01-2022, 05:03 AM
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I knew my callouts, triggers, flows, my flying was good. I have no problem studying
They can’t fail you on something that wasn’t taught, you don’t fail on technique either unless boneheaded.
06-01-2022, 05:07 AM
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: MD-88 FO
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Originally Posted by dera
You are full of it.
You haven't gotten multiple DM's from APC about it given you joined what, 5 days ago?
Few days ago you were making a "transition" from CRJ to ERJ. Given the list, you leave out PSA and SkyWest as possible culprits, and let's face it, neither has a reputation on failing people on purpose, nor do they fail "half" of their classes.
Trolls are gonna troll here it seems.
You haven't gotten multiple DM's from APC about it given you joined what, 5 days ago?
Few days ago you were making a "transition" from CRJ to ERJ. Given the list, you leave out PSA and SkyWest as possible culprits, and let's face it, neither has a reputation on failing people on purpose, nor do they fail "half" of their classes.
Trolls are gonna troll here it seems.
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