How bad is two Checkride failures?
01-28-2023, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Two should not be any kind of showstopper in this climate.
The IR isn't a big deal, since you're new to aviation at that point and the GA training environment is pretty inconsistent.
135 can also be inconsistent, and that's well known.
Get professional interview prep so you know how to address this when the time comes. Basically, take full responsibility, don't blame others or the circumstance, succinctly tell them what you learned and how it has made you a better pilot, then shut up.
You do want to establish of a track record of training success, perhaps at a regional with a known quality program? That should be consistent and predictable. Don't fail anymore rides, so maybe avoid mon n' pop 91/135, fly-by-night 121 cargo, etc. Do the research in advance on the training program for any future job you consider.
The IR isn't a big deal, since you're new to aviation at that point and the GA training environment is pretty inconsistent.
135 can also be inconsistent, and that's well known.
Get professional interview prep so you know how to address this when the time comes. Basically, take full responsibility, don't blame others or the circumstance, succinctly tell them what you learned and how it has made you a better pilot, then shut up.
You do want to establish of a track record of training success, perhaps at a regional with a known quality program? That should be consistent and predictable. Don't fail anymore rides, so maybe avoid mon n' pop 91/135, fly-by-night 121 cargo, etc. Do the research in advance on the training program for any future job you consider.
01-28-2023, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yeah, if it's a limitation that's a legit bust.
If Santa Claus lets something like that slide, count yourself lucky. But don't expect it.
Nibbling at Vfe in turbulence is one thing, as long as it's quickly corrected. Reaching your hand down, pulling a handle and deliberately busting a limitation is something else.
If Santa Claus lets something like that slide, count yourself lucky. But don't expect it.
Nibbling at Vfe in turbulence is one thing, as long as it's quickly corrected. Reaching your hand down, pulling a handle and deliberately busting a limitation is something else.
But at the end of the day, there's nothing I can do but own it.
01-28-2023, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
You’ve given your interview answer here.
This was a judgement call and you shouldn’t have done it. Lacking experience in the actual airplane is what caused you to fail the PIC ride.
You were eager to advance and did not want to turn down the opportunity from an employer you really liked yadayadayada.
Don’t blame the seat support or the Examiner.
Was this a professional seat support as in provided by the Training organization?
This was a judgement call and you shouldn’t have done it. Lacking experience in the actual airplane is what caused you to fail the PIC ride.
You were eager to advance and did not want to turn down the opportunity from an employer you really liked yadayadayada.
Don’t blame the seat support or the Examiner.
Was this a professional seat support as in provided by the Training organization?
Yes, professional seat support. In fact, the seat support was my instructor. As I stated in another reply. I felt like it was pretty hardcore to bust me for that considering the rest of the ride went so well. But the examiner was well within his rights to do so. I don't blame anyone. That's not what this post is about. I'm asking how bad my situation is moving forward.
01-28-2023, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ZuluKilo
I felt like it was pretty hardcore for the examiner to bust me on that since the rest of the ride went so well. But I can't exactly say it's unfair. I did bust a limitation. I've talked to other examiners about their opinion on it and they have all said they would have made it a talking point at the end of the ride. But not a fail.
But at the end of the day, there's nothing I can do but own it.
But at the end of the day, there's nothing I can do but own it.
02-02-2023, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
All else good, I probably would have just debriefed it as well. But you cannot expect that will happen in all cases.
My point is/was that professional seat support cannot and should not suggest an action like that. They’re ‘voice activated’ co-pilots providing duties of the seat.
They’re not supposed to help nor hinder you.
02-03-2023, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
My point is/was that professional seat support cannot and should not suggest an action like that. They’re ‘voice activated’ co-pilots providing duties of the seat.
They’re not supposed to help nor hinder you.
They’re not supposed to help nor hinder you.
That's for a third-part seat sub like a reserve pilot or someone who picked it up for pay. If the seat sub is an examiner, then you're going to get what you get.
02-03-2023, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's not exactly the current airline/FAA philosophy, with the emphasis on CRM and pilot monitoring they've actually been telling us for a while that the PM should speak up like he normally would even on a checkride. If the PF end ups leaning on the PM too much then and only then will the examiner intervene and instruct to seat sub behave like a robot. Basically you're now allowed to get at least a little help from the PM.
That's for a third-part seat sub like a reserve pilot or someone who picked it up for pay. If the seat sub is an examiner, then you're going to get what you get.
That's for a third-part seat sub like a reserve pilot or someone who picked it up for pay. If the seat sub is an examiner, then you're going to get what you get.
Why am I the only one reading the original post that way?
while I was on final approach my right seater suggested I use airbrake to slow down
02-03-2023, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Fair enough but the seat support suggested using spoilers/air brakes thats a no-no.
Why am I the only one reading the original post that way?
Why am I the only one reading the original post that way?
If the sub was just some random dude, another student, reserve, etc then yeah that sucks but you should still know the limitations. It sounds like that.
Still it's more realistic that the other pilot is going to monitor and speak up, that's almost always a good thing but this might be one of those times it's not.
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