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04-29-2008, 07:23 PM
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Hi Lori, I was looking over the forum and noticed that your specialty was Pilot Hiring..
First, I have a friend that really wants to pursue being an airline pilot but he has a felony. It was a "conspiracy" felony conviction and he was only 19 at the time. He was in the Navy at the time. The Navy retained him and he still on Active Duty to this day.. Anyways do you think he could get hired down the road as an airline pilot or is there just no way...
Second, I was wondering if there was anything he could do to help rectify the situation as much as possible. Obviously he didn't have to do anytime in prison, but it has still left a everlasting mark on him and he knows that and is very sorry for what he did. Any suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated and I will be sure to pass all the advice along to him.
Thanks for your help in advance..
First, I have a friend that really wants to pursue being an airline pilot but he has a felony. It was a "conspiracy" felony conviction and he was only 19 at the time. He was in the Navy at the time. The Navy retained him and he still on Active Duty to this day.. Anyways do you think he could get hired down the road as an airline pilot or is there just no way...
Second, I was wondering if there was anything he could do to help rectify the situation as much as possible. Obviously he didn't have to do anytime in prison, but it has still left a everlasting mark on him and he knows that and is very sorry for what he did. Any suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated and I will be sure to pass all the advice along to him.
Thanks for your help in advance..
Last edited by Delta1054; 04-30-2008 at 05:40 AM.
05-07-2008, 08:43 PM
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Delta1054,
Without knowing the details of the situation, it is difficult at best to speculate. However, there are a few things to consider. You did not mention if this was a conviction or an arrest so I will assume, for arguments sake, it was a conviction.
If he appeared in public court, the conviction is then a matter of public record and will certainly turn up in a background check. If he appeared in a military court then, as far as I am aware, those records are not public record.
If his DD214 reflects a dishonorable discharge, any future employer might inquire as to the nature of the dishonor.
I am not sure what you are alluding to with “conspiracy,” this could be "conspiracy to" many things. Nevertheless, if the nature of the conviction is in violation of any of the 28 automatic disqualifiers for obtaining a SIDA badge then the airlines’ are bound. If the conviction does not violate any of those disqualifiers then he is dependent on the interviewer’s subjectivity. Some time ago I posted the 28 disqualifiers – you can find them in this post.
The FARs (§ 61.151 (c)) outline that to hold an ATP the airman must “Be of good moral character.” Other than this, I am not aware of any regulation that specifically addresses an airline's candidate evaluation process.
It might behoove him to talk to a military attorney or even a civilian attorney experience with aviation.
I hope this helps - Good luck to your friend.
Without knowing the details of the situation, it is difficult at best to speculate. However, there are a few things to consider. You did not mention if this was a conviction or an arrest so I will assume, for arguments sake, it was a conviction.
If he appeared in public court, the conviction is then a matter of public record and will certainly turn up in a background check. If he appeared in a military court then, as far as I am aware, those records are not public record.
If his DD214 reflects a dishonorable discharge, any future employer might inquire as to the nature of the dishonor.
I am not sure what you are alluding to with “conspiracy,” this could be "conspiracy to" many things. Nevertheless, if the nature of the conviction is in violation of any of the 28 automatic disqualifiers for obtaining a SIDA badge then the airlines’ are bound. If the conviction does not violate any of those disqualifiers then he is dependent on the interviewer’s subjectivity. Some time ago I posted the 28 disqualifiers – you can find them in this post.
The FARs (§ 61.151 (c)) outline that to hold an ATP the airman must “Be of good moral character.” Other than this, I am not aware of any regulation that specifically addresses an airline's candidate evaluation process.
It might behoove him to talk to a military attorney or even a civilian attorney experience with aviation.
I hope this helps - Good luck to your friend.
Last edited by Lori Clark; 05-07-2008 at 08:52 PM.
05-07-2008, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by B757200ER
Lori, I just checked out your website---aren't you a little young to 'retire'?
You look like you're 32! Anyway, interesting forum. Look forward to reading it.
You look like you're 32! Anyway, interesting forum. Look forward to reading it.
Will you marry me?
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05-07-2008, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lori Clark
oh, I'm also supposed to tell you that my husband requires a sizeable dowry....
Anyway, great site. I'll drum up some questions for you, because I may have to dust off the old resume and logbook here soon.
05-07-2008, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by B757200ER
Mmmm, my next question was to see if you were single!
Originally Posted by B757200ER
Anyway, great site. I'll drum up some questions for you, because I may have to dust off the old resume and logbook here soon.
05-08-2008, 10:51 AM
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Lori, thanks for the thorough response. You really do a great job on this forum. He told me that it was a civilian conviction for conspiracy to commit marriage fraud. He knows what he did was totally wrong and was young dumb and stupid at the time. I was wondering if you knew if this was one of the 28 disqualifiers that you mentioned from above. And if it is, can he eventually get a SIDA badge after a certain amount of time. I noticed in this instruction (14 CFR – Chapter I – Part 108), "if you are convicted in any jurisdiction 10 years prior to the individuals application" does this mean you are eligible to receive a SIDA badge if your record is clean for the last 10 years?? I know everyone makes mistakes, he made one and has manned up and been a "good boy" since this all happened. I would appreciate your help. Thanks again
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05-19-2008, 11:30 AM
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That is a question probably best suited for an attorney. But... my philosophy when completing applications is to follow their instructions - do not analyze. So if it asks "In the last 10 years..." then answer it that way.
Please keep in mind that when an FBI background check is done everything shows up.
Again, I am not an expert in the law, so this would simply be my opinion.
Please keep in mind that when an FBI background check is done everything shows up.
Again, I am not an expert in the law, so this would simply be my opinion.
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