Career advise for someone with misdemeanor
12-08-2012, 07:41 PM
#11
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Based on the accusation he was apparently busted peeping into a dressing room. If that is any help. He has a masters degree and a lot of other leverage with being a community volunteer. Flight training is expensive. If the airlines are not a viable option, would he have a chance as an aircraft mechanic? Sorry, I am acting as an intermediary. Please don't make any judgements he is a great guy, maybe other people could benefit from your advice as well.
Community service is not leverage, either.
Airlines are a viable option, but if he's starting flight training presently, he's a long way from that option yet.
I worked with a captain once who was a convicted sex offender. I've worked with a lot of aviators who have things in their past.
The airlines are not the only route to take in aviation. There are many other avenues of employment aside from the airlines.
If one is seeking pilot training, why would one switch tracks and become a mechanic instead? Is the drive to remain in aviation so great?
I'm a pilot and mechanic, and work in both occupations. Both are honorable and respectable. From a maintenance point of view, I don't think anyone will care about his history. Some places may, but not many.
If he's making this a habit, he's going to do more than damage his reputation. The repercussions years down the line are only one thing he needs to consider. His judgement is seriously questionable presently, as is his behavior. That should be his immediate worry.
12-08-2012, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by pazziato
From the replies he is probably unable to be hired on the major airlines. Besides the airlines, could he work in any capacity in avaiation with this on his record?
- CFI
- Anything low-end part 91, unless the company/employer does a criminal background check
- Low-end 135
Avoid all background issues, start your own flight school or small 135 operation.
12-09-2012, 06:00 AM
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Tell your friend to check local/state laws (aka hire a lawyer)... Most misdemeanors not involving violent crimes or substance-related charges can be expunged after a certain period of time adn with a little bit of $$$. Just my .02 cents. Eveyone makes mistakes and does stupid things. Just some people get caught and others don't.
12-09-2012, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Tell your friend to check local/state laws (aka hire a lawyer)... Most misdemeanors not involving violent crimes or substance-related charges can be expunged after a certain period of time adn with a little bit of $$$. Just my .02 cents. Eveyone makes mistakes and does stupid things. Just some people get caught and others don't.
That sort of thing might be indicative of some not quite normal attitudes about society and how one relates to other people.
To make a "mistake", there's a chain...
- You do not fully understand (youth or low IQ), or do not care (sociopath) how your actions affect others. This is the moral part. You might also be desperate for something low on the Maslow scale (like shelter or food)...this might override moral considerations.
- You decide to go ahead despite the known consequences of getting caught. This decision can be aided by youthful poor judgement or a sociopath's calculation of risk vs benefit. It can also be helped along by alcohol consumption...but it's expected that older people can manage alcohol better.
Bottom line this might have been youth and REALLY bad judgement because the social consequences of getting caught doing something like this are WAAAAY more severe than say shoplifting or DUI. Or it might be sociopathic tendencies, or possibly low IQ. Given a choice of these three, the correct answer for someone hiring airliner crews is going to be:
d) None of the above
12-09-2012, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It might be safe to say that many people do something stupid at some point when they're young, but not very many people participate in illegal perv behavior.
That sort of thing might be indicative of some not quite normal attitudes about society and how one relates to other people.
To make a "mistake", there's a chain...
- You do not fully understand (youth or low IQ), or do not care (sociopath) how your actions affect others. This is the moral part. You might also be desperate for something low on the Maslow scale (like shelter or food)...this might override moral considerations.
- You decide to go ahead despite the known consequences of getting caught. This decision can be aided by youthful poor judgement or a sociopath's calculation of risk vs benefit. It can also be helped along by alcohol consumption...but it's expected that older people can manage alcohol better.
Bottom line this might have been youth and REALLY bad judgement because the social consequences of getting caught doing something like this are WAAAAY more severe than say shoplifting or DUI. Or it might be sociopathic tendencies, or possibly low IQ. Given a choice of these three, the correct answer for someone hiring airliner crews is going to be:
d) None of the above
That sort of thing might be indicative of some not quite normal attitudes about society and how one relates to other people.
To make a "mistake", there's a chain...
- You do not fully understand (youth or low IQ), or do not care (sociopath) how your actions affect others. This is the moral part. You might also be desperate for something low on the Maslow scale (like shelter or food)...this might override moral considerations.
- You decide to go ahead despite the known consequences of getting caught. This decision can be aided by youthful poor judgement or a sociopath's calculation of risk vs benefit. It can also be helped along by alcohol consumption...but it's expected that older people can manage alcohol better.
Bottom line this might have been youth and REALLY bad judgement because the social consequences of getting caught doing something like this are WAAAAY more severe than say shoplifting or DUI. Or it might be sociopathic tendencies, or possibly low IQ. Given a choice of these three, the correct answer for someone hiring airliner crews is going to be:
d) None of the above
. Having a criminal record at Everts is almost a guaranteed promotion. They know that you wont be leaving anytime soon. 
12-09-2012, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
I worked with a captain once who was a convicted sex offender. I've worked with a lot of aviators who have things in their past.
OK, gotta ask...how did THAT come out?
12-12-2012, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AvSec
Tell your friend to get a good lawyer and make it go away. This should not be difficult. Also, I have to add that if was caught doing this once, he may have not been caught doing this other times. Have a heart to heart with him and if is prone to this behavior, get him into counseling before he ruins his life.
Not being judgemental, just offering advice on how to help your friend. He should not apply for any job requiring a background check until this is resolved.
Not being judgemental, just offering advice on how to help your friend. He should not apply for any job requiring a background check until this is resolved.
My philosophy is that it is better to be 100% honest and not get it than lie and wonder down the road.
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