Logging PIC
12-06-2012, 04:25 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by Diver Driver
I'll make this simple.
When my name is on the release and I sign for the paperwork/aircraft, I log PIC.
When someone else's name was on the release and I didn't sign for the aircraft, I didn't log PIC.
If the company you're with wants to count it, fine. I would, however, be very careful using that formula moving forward with future employers.
When my name is on the release and I sign for the paperwork/aircraft, I log PIC.
When someone else's name was on the release and I didn't sign for the aircraft, I didn't log PIC.
If the company you're with wants to count it, fine. I would, however, be very careful using that formula moving forward with future employers.
12-06-2012, 07:21 AM
#13
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Noooooo! Not this again 
This has been addressed about thirty times on APC alone since they started giving regional FO's ATPs and PIC types.
BLUF:
It is legal per the FARs to log "sole manipulator" time as PIC if you are rated in the airplane, even while you are the SIC.
It is customary and EXPECTED among CIVILIAN PRIVATE SECTOR PILOT EMPLOYERS that time represented as "Turbine PIC" is time that you SIGNED FOR THE AIRPLANE and DOES NOT include "sole man" PIC.
Any attempt to mislead a civilian private sector employer, or even allowing them to reach mistaken assumptions regarding "sole man" PIC time will lead to you getting not hired, blacklisted, or fired when they find out.
If you want to log it, strongly suggest a separate column. Such time MIGHT be useful getting a government job, I don't know. But keeping it physically separate will help alleviate questions about how you're representing yourself.
But heed my warning...if you put this in your logbook, make damn sure you point it out to the interviewer so he doesn't come to a mistaken conclusion about how you are trying to represent your flight experience. Just having this in your logbook will be strike one as far as many people are concerned...they won't be giving you the benefit of the doubt as to how you are representing yourself, so make it clear up front.
Do not use this time instead of, or in conjunction with, real turbine PIC to meet employment mins (unless you can confirm that the employer will accept sol man Turbine PIC).
This has been addressed about thirty times on APC alone since they started giving regional FO's ATPs and PIC types.
BLUF:
It is legal per the FARs to log "sole manipulator" time as PIC if you are rated in the airplane, even while you are the SIC.
It is customary and EXPECTED among CIVILIAN PRIVATE SECTOR PILOT EMPLOYERS that time represented as "Turbine PIC" is time that you SIGNED FOR THE AIRPLANE and DOES NOT include "sole man" PIC.
Any attempt to mislead a civilian private sector employer, or even allowing them to reach mistaken assumptions regarding "sole man" PIC time will lead to you getting not hired, blacklisted, or fired when they find out.
If you want to log it, strongly suggest a separate column. Such time MIGHT be useful getting a government job, I don't know. But keeping it physically separate will help alleviate questions about how you're representing yourself.
But heed my warning...if you put this in your logbook, make damn sure you point it out to the interviewer so he doesn't come to a mistaken conclusion about how you are trying to represent your flight experience. Just having this in your logbook will be strike one as far as many people are concerned...they won't be giving you the benefit of the doubt as to how you are representing yourself, so make it clear up front.
Do not use this time instead of, or in conjunction with, real turbine PIC to meet employment mins (unless you can confirm that the employer will accept sol man Turbine PIC).
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