xjtguy

Cool, not only do we have the mil vs. civ peeing contest, we've got the service branch/platform one going on as well.

I thought this was usually reserved for the majors/cargo section?

JohnnyG

I do believe the OP stressed the amount of #$%^ he had to go through, did he not? That's my reference. My exaggeration is to make a point. If someone calls someone else's mother a cow, would you step in and demand that someone point out her horns and udder, or would you laugh it off? Sometimes someone being fat is enough.



My friend: I'm jealous of anyone who can get a good, turbine job in aviation. I'm jealous of you too. It sounds like you've done great for yourself.

I'm resentful of anyone who's had a good run with good success at things and complains about 'having to go to the regionals' or 'military pay'. It's absurd.

USMCFLYR

If you read part of the OPs post he was asking if job jumping would be viewed as a bad thing - a major looking at him and saying 'well he doesn't have much loyalty to a company, look how quickly he left that job. He might do that to us too.'
He is bringing a military mentality to the civilian world where there is VERY LITTLE loyalty it seems amongst the workforce and he certainly isn't in tune with the fact that the Majors could care less whether he worked for a regional for 2 months, 2 years, or 20 years. If he possesses the qualifications and passes the interview - they probably don't even care which regional you worked for in the long run.
The final straw of the argument was that for most timeframes of hiring, former military pilots didn't have to make a stop in the Regionals for any reason to include maintaining currency. As I said in an earlier post - times change when the top level jobs aren't hiring to any degree.

I think that you either don't have the correct references for the OP's intention of the OP or are projecting your own resentments on to the post and trying to make something out of nothing.

You didn't mention your UPT or SNA training pipeline so I can only assume that you chose to the words "military aviation" so that you could include non-pilot pipelines. If this is in fact the case, then I'm still trying to figure out how you have the expertise to speak with authority about the rigors of military pilot training. That would seem to be as disingenuous as me trying to speak to Loadmaster/FE training or Boom Operator training. What did you do in 'military aviation'?

JohnnyG

I've respectfully (including compliments) disproven your arguments and ignored attempts to morph the conversation into one in which you could win, and now you're moving to your last resort, which is degrading, disqualifying and discrediting me. That's a pretty cheap tactic to use against someone who's shown you respect, right?

Your rundown of the argument is only partially correct, but you're intentionally focusing on what you want to because you're trying to win an argument. You're ignoring the substantial portion of the OP's comments that I directly spoke to.

I spoke against knocking other people's career paths and decisions, and now you're trying to knock mine to show me I'm wrong. First, you have to find out what those are before you insult them. Isn't that backwards?

If I was trying to keep taking things further with you, I wouldn't have complimented you. Argue with yourself, good sir. You win!

Neosporin

more than an enlisted soldier/sailor paying their dues!!!

stand in line like everyone else!!!

Neosporin

holy Sh#t, really, starting at the bottom?....ask some ATA guys about starting at the bottom, or Midwest guys, they are taking regional jobs to stay employed and current, wow man, unbelievable.
That's the way it works, you always start at the bottom, it would be nice if he was hired at DL directly, but as others have said, currency, it is easier to get a job while employed.
I know an AF Tanker instructor who went to Comair for almost three years while in the pool at FEDEX. funniest pilot I've ever flown with.

USMCFLYR

If by degrading, disqualifying and discrediting [you] you mean pointing out that you tried to make a comment such as:
Then I didn't have to do a bit of it - you misrepresented yourself as having expertise in the route a military pilot takes.

I'm listening. Point out the inaccuracies besides you avoiding the question as to whether you have been through a military training program and under what guise you make such a statement as above.

Please quote where I have knocked down your career path.

If you are done with me why did you send me a PM?

You can read whatever you want into the OPs post. I'll present another point of view and my reasons for believing so, along with some anecdotal facts to back up my view. Rarely do these discussions end up changing one person's mind, but others reading the thread might get something out of it.

As for the questions you asked of me in the PM.
USMC 1989-2010
F/A-18 A-Ds
You can check out my profile which lists my background or even search for my introductory post where I list my background and reasons for coming to APC in detail.

JohnnyG

I'm sorry, but your experience couldn't be more different than our resident Tanker guy's. You're no more qualified to vouch for his 'dues paid' than a USAF chow hall worker. Cheers to you though for lumping all military aviators together, like you said was a bad idea.



Did you miss the point where I accurately noted that you were trying to rat hole me by asking me my qualifications then pounding on them? You're still trying to, albeit without any background to go on because I won't give it to you. You're only assuming I have no idea what I'm talking about because you don't want me to be someone who does.


Because I was trying to extend an olive branch. I'm not done with you, I'm done arguing with you. I apologize if I misspoke earlier. Your tenacity is admirable. This must be why Marines are #1 in spearheading invasions, combating pirates, international incidents, bar fights...etc.



Good for you! It sounds like you've had a great career so far. I'm sure with your persistance you will take your civilian career even further. If you're ever in the market for a job flying 152s in the sweltering desert with people who don't speak English, give me a call. We could use a few guys who love the suck; most of us are whiners who envy tanker pilots.


I apologize, I'm not that into you. Can you buy me a drink first, at least?

Honestly, I'm just hoping this whole argument will die before you find out that I'm not even a pilot and was never in the military.

Cheers to you, buddy. A good friend of mine was a Marine A-4 pilot before becoming a naval reservist on heavy lift choppers. He's one of the people I respect most in the world, and everyone who knows that side of him says he's the single greatest aviator they've ever flown with.

PasserOGas

Johnny, you're no more qualified to vouch for my 'dues paid' than a USAF chow hall worker.

See you at the UAL interview!

M696

How could being an active 121 pilot hurt your chances? Certainly less than not being one.