Originally Posted by Jvw700 (Post 2225037)

Man you sure know a lot about AA's business plans!! Do you sit in on planning meetings with the other executives!

Originally Posted by Blizzard (Post 2225053)

A lot of interesting stuff here. Thanks to everyone who has contributed. Question for Envoy folks--if I flew the crj out of Chicago and then in a year or two they transferred them all out to PSA, what is the process? Do they let you choose whichever plane you want to fly (prob the 145 since I live in Chicagoland)? Any plans for the 175 to come to Chicago eventually, or is it just DFW? Looks like reserve is 6 months or so on the crj and 8 months on the 145 for new hires out of ORD, from the paperwork that recruiting sent, so looks a bit shorter for the crj, which is one of the reasons I want that bird.

Originally Posted by Jvw700 (Post 2225047)

Here's my WAG. Eagle shrunk by over 1000 pilots over the last few years. The envoy side is now where they want it at about 2000 pilots. The need for hiring is coming from the increase in flow and perhaps a few more airframes. AAG finally has the ability to contract out to multiple carriers where they didn't when they were AMR. You might see some smaller companies disappear but I don't believe AAG wants to give up the cheaper feed they get from other contract carriers. To AAG, envoy/PDT/PSA will always be a cost unit....

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2225064)

Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont will continue to be the cheaper feed (even with higher pay rates) if they are constantly scooping the highest paid off the top and attracting relatively cheap new hires in at the bottom. Even if they added another $20 /hour to all the pay scales it would still be cheaper than most other regionals. By virtue of the relatively junior pilot groups all 3 will have in the next few years. And with the WOs, it's all profit. They don't have to pay another business (who also has shareholders to make money for) any of the profits. They keep it all for themselves.

Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2225056)

First off those numbers constantly change. With the hiring it will all drop.

If they close crj ord you can pick anything your seniority can hold.

I do warn you ord appears to be setup for a downsizing right now. Just be aware of that.

Originally Posted by Jvw700 (Post 2225047)

Here's my WAG. Eagle shrunk by over 1000 pilots over the last few years. The envoy side is now where they want it at about 2000 pilots. The need for hiring is coming from the increase in flow and perhaps a few more airframes. AAG finally has the ability to contract out to multiple carriers where they didn't when they were AMR. You might see some smaller companies disappear but I don't believe AAG wants to give up the cheaper feed they get from other contract carriers. To AAG, envoy/PDT/PSA will always be a cost unit....

Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 2225075)

Here's my WAG:

You left Envoy a couple of years ago for a lateral to another Regional. Now you desperately need to convince yourself you made the right choice. So you spend your days posting outdated garbage in Envoy threads while hoping and praying they fail.

That way you can feel good about your decision..which is looking more and more foolish with each passing day. Bring on your usual comeback about "schedules"..that great arbitrary, anectocal argument that is all the rage on APC these days.

Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2225056)

First off those numbers constantly change. With the hiring it will all drop.

If they close crj ord you can pick anything your seniority can hold.

I do warn you ord appears to be setup for a downsizing right now. Just be aware of that.

Originally Posted by Jvw700 (Post 2225079)

I knew it was only a matter of time before envoys number one fan boy would show up! I have absolutely no regrets about leaving that dismal place and never will!! My posts about envoy are pretty current actually. Nothing has changed except new hires now get a massive bonus. Same old management team and their cheerleaders like yourself who fail to see reality.

Originally Posted by DilsonWic (Post 2225082)

But please help us understand why you obsess about this place still?

Do you also stalk your ex-girl/boyfriends?

Originally Posted by Jvw700 (Post 2225086)

I have many friends there still, k son? Given your screen name it's no surprise you come to the companies defense. How's he treating you these days?

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2225032)

I'm sure you don't pay as much attention as those of us at the WOs, but there are some important factors to consider...

1) If you don't work for an AA WO, you can certainly apply to AA as an off the street hire. However, your chances are very slim that you will get hired because only 25-30% of new hires at AA are coming from off the street, and most of those are military pilots. That leaves UA and DA. Delta traditionally has hired about 50% of its pilots from the military. So maybe your odds aren't so good there (unless you go work for Endeavor, which is probably your best shot. And even they only have a 40-50% pass rate for their interview with Delta). That leaves UA, who also hires a large percentage of military pilots. However you can go work for an AA WO, have the exact same odds as every other non-WO pilot applying at DA and UA except for one thing: You have a guaranteed flow in your back pocket, "just in case".

2) AA has said that they are moving non-WO flying back to their WOs. That means pilots flying for other regionals may not have a job within a couple years. They are going to continue raising pay and improving the flow agreements as needed to attract pilots.

...There is a lot of speculation about what AA may do to attract pilots in the next couple years. I've heard everything from the well thought out and plausible (DoH), to the absurd (staple). Either way, things will continue to improve and the WOs will only further outpace the rest of the industry in terms of compensation and benefits as the pilot shortage deepens.

Originally Posted by word302 (Post 2225115)

You all keep spouting this crap, but the majors are just starting the hiring boom. AA will not be able to only hire from the military and WOs without shrinking drastically (either themselves or the WOs). Anyone who networks and puts forth a little effort will have a job with the legacies. Just look at the retirement numbers, it's 4th grade math guys.

Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2225080)

Chicago is not downsizing. Rah has shrunk so they've been covered with CRj7 from envoy and skywest cr2/7.

Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2225153)

I know something you don't but that's fine.

I will say hypothetically this time next year ord will be about 50% it's current size only 145 and the 175 is the wild card on anything better. :)

Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2225153)

I know something you don't but that's fine.

I will say hypothetically this time next year ord will be about 50% it's current size only 145 and the 175 is the wild card on anything better. :)

Originally Posted by banana380 (Post 2225287)

The hiring info pamphlet I was handed in July had the 175 listed for both DFW and ORD...

Originally Posted by banana380 (Post 2225287)

The hiring info pamphlet I was handed in July had the 175 listed for both DFW and ORD...

Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 2225313)

LOL. You believed a pamphlet!!! Good one..

Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2225348)

To my knowledge the override for the 145 was removed in mid Aug. Regardless the new bonus/rates make for some high first year pay.

Originally Posted by Eject (Post 2225219)

I think this may be true. My WAG is the 700's are gone in 8 months.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2225021)

In a short period of time PSA will be flowing 2014 hires. That's pretty incredible.

Originally Posted by egl2fdx (Post 2226644)

Yea, try 3 years.

Originally Posted by VArellano (Post 2227675)

Are new hires seeing KORD out of training at Skywest?

Originally Posted by Bucknut (Post 2227699)

United has a clause in thier contract that they are to hire from an ALPA carrier. Food for thought!

Originally Posted by Bucknut (Post 2227699)

United has a clause in thier contract that they are to hire from an ALPA carrier. Food for thought!

Originally Posted by Squallrider (Post 2227843)

Yes but it doesn't say how many or that it's exclusive...sooo yea food for thought your dues are a waste

Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2225153)

I know something you don't but that's fine.

I will say hypothetically this time next year ord will be about 50% it's current size only 145 and the 175 is the wild card on anything better. :)

Originally Posted by Bucknut (Post 2227699)

United has a clause in thier contract that they are to hire from an ALPA carrier. Food for thought!