tbevis135r

This is a little awkward and uncomfortable to share here, but I think it's also probably the best place to get good hard advice. I interviewed with airline A and airline B several months ago, and received offers from both. Due to serving out my military obligation, I had a couple of months to consider each choice, and ultimately decided on airline A. Indoctrination and systems training went fine. In procedures training, my sim partner and I, being fairly low on multiengine time (220 hours) and having essentially zero hands-on jet time save for a 737 type rating about two years ago, took a little bit of extra time in the trainer, but completed the procedures validation part of AQP, and went on to the sim. During the sim phase, our instructor recommended additional training for both of us for different tasks. During one ride, prior to the maneuvers validation, I had difficulties on a couple of single engine go arounds, and to make a long story short, I was sent home pending a training review board. A few days later, a union rep in the training department advised me that I was going to be discontinued from training. After talking with another very experienced friend who works for a major carrier, he advised me to submit a resignation proactively, to avoid having to say that I was fired or asked to resign, and I took his advice that way. He also pointed out that this was not a PRIA event, and technically not a training failure. I still want to pursue other options, including airline B, and feel like I'm a viable candidate, as I have quite a bit of military aircrew experience and three type ratings from other previous jobs as a Part 142 training instructor. So, I'm looking for any advice, suggestions, etc from anyone who's seen a situation like mine. Thank you.

CaptYoda

You are correct in stating that you did not fail any training. However, some applications will ask if you ever did not complete any training which is a question perhaps aimed at someone like yourself. Answer it honestly as you have posted. It's not a career end as long as it does not keep happening. You mentioned that you have several type ratings as a 142 Instructor (FSI, CAE?). Why do you think you were having so much trouble with the S/E Go Around? You obviously have done many before with your other type rides and sim checks as an SFI? Get some sim time and practice those if you can before you go back into training.

NatGeo

I have been a recruiter before. (not for an airline).

One skill that a lot of people do not have is the ability to sell themselves. Confidence is a hard trait to learn, but I think it helps to constantly think about how this company is lucky that it is getting the opportunity to interview you.

Make sure to not voluntarily talk about or admit to any real weaknesses that you have.

Now, you know where your weaknesses are and you can practice them so you will be ready for it next time.

EMBskillz

I would like to add onto this thread if I am May.

Please consider this scenario. Let's say that I was hired at a low-cost carrier. I was struggling with the FMS because it was new to me. I was signed off for the typeride and during the typeride, I failed a portion (RNAV SID). So given a pink slip but instead of continuing my training, I resigned. So this is my only failure. I am curious if this will hold me back? Thoughts?

Thanks.

rickair7777

Do not attempt to misrepresent the circumstances of your resignation. Nobody resigns during training at a major unless they were failing or got a better job offer.

You must do PRIA for any previous aviation employer, regardless of whether you completed training or actually flew an airplane.

If you previously used an interview prep company, call them for advice. If you haven't done a seminar now is the time. Emerald coast is well known, and there are others.

rickair7777

Unfortunately, yes. The problem with the FMS is that it's pretty much all rote memorization, had nothing to do with skill or experience...that is to say you have to study and practice with the software trainer.

Screwing up the FMS would seem more like lack of preparation or effort, as opposed to somebody who was trying hard but just needed a little more training.

Not saying that's the case, but it may appear that way to recruiters. Why did you resign? Were you not offered more training?

Two-percent

Oops sorry

Sliceback

Thoughts? If I was a recruiter at the next place you applied to? You quit instead of finishing your training and having a decent job? This doesn't make sense. And not making sense in front of an interviewer can quickly appear to be lying or covering something up. That's a deep hole you'll never get out of.

Or you could be telling the absolute truth - struggled with the FMC so you quit. Does the next job fly round dials? FMC bust might not be that big a deal. But what if the next company fly FMC's you haven't used before???? See the problem? Why would a company, that has thousands of applicants, pursue a guy who quit because of the FMC?

Two-percent

with a pilot shortage, couldnt all this be overlooked eventually? Thousands of applicants?

galaxy flyer

2%,

Yes, but aviation, being governed by physics, has a way of biting back at such shortcuts. See Colgan 3407, for just ONE example. Before anyone jumps, yes, plenty of good pilots have come to grief, too, just less predictably.

GF