exactly...

 

I didn't know that this thread would turn out the way it did......

but to answer the following:

"What about the freedom to carry from one country not yours to another not yours.( US Airline carrying pax from let's say Mex to Canada )"

If you look at the schedules there are no US airlines going from Mexico to Canada directly.

The companies fly Mexico so somewhere in the states and then to Canada. That is not Cabotage, it goes under the earlier freedoms, i.e., enplane pax in Mexico -- US Leg -- deplane pax in Canada.

 

Cabotage would be something like Air China picking up freight in, say, Anchorage, and flying it to, say, Atlanta.


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The previous post on the Freedoms of the Air is somewhat incomplete. Here's the info from the ICAO FAQ. the answers for your questions are there, but sometimes you have to wade a bit. The first 5 rights are by treaty. The last 4 might be the subject of bilaterals. Cabotage comes into play at 8 and 9.



"First Freedom of the Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State or States to fly across its territory without landing (also known as a First Freedom Right).

Second Freedom of the Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State or States to land in its territory for non-traffic purposes (also known as a Second Freedom Right).

Third Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State to put down, in the territory of the first State, traffic coming from the home State of the carrier (also known as a Third Freedom Right).

Fourth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State to take on, in the territory of the first State, traffic destined for the home State of the carrier (also known as a Fourth Freedom Right).

Fifth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State to put down and to take on, in the territory of the first State, traffic coming from or destined to a third State (also known as a Fifth Freedom Right).

ICAO characterizes all "freedoms" beyond the Fifth as "so-called" because only the first five "freedoms" have been officially recognized as such by international treaty.

Sixth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, of transporting, via the home State of the carrier, traffic moving between two other States (also known as a Sixth Freedom Right). The so-called Sixth Freedom of the Air, unlike the first five freedoms, is not incorporated as such into any widely recognized air service agreements such as the "Five Freedoms Agreement".

Seventh Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, granted by one State to another State, of transporting traffic between the territory of the granting State and any third State with no requirement to include on such operation any point in the territory of the recipient State, i.e the service need not connect to or be an extension of any service to/from the home State of the carrier.

Eighth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege, in respect of scheduled international air services, of transporting cabotage traffic between two points in the territory of the granting State on a service which originates or terminates in the home country of the foreign carrier or (in connection with the so-called Seventh Freedom of the Air) outside the territory of the granting State (also known as a Eighth Freedom Right or "consecutive cabotage").

Ninth Freedom of The Air - the right or privilege of transporting cabotage traffic of the granting State on a service performed entirely within the territory of the granting State (also known as a Ninth Freedom Right or "stand alone" cabotage).

Source: Manual on the Regulation of International Air Transport (Doc 9626, Part 4)"

 

Plenty of similar flights, though. NWA from NRT to asia. Korea Air LAX-NRT, etc.

I don't know what the rules are on that stuff, if there even are any.

 

See 7th Freedom, above, maybe?

 

Specific examples of it as least.

 

That would be the case if that freight originated in Anchorage. Those computer chips manufactured over the Bush Company as an example.