Can anybody compare 1st FO pay here to k4? I’m guessing the pay is similar but k4 guys work less. Any insight will be greatly appreciated.

Without even trying, you should gross over 130k your first full year at K4 with the current flying.

What are Western Global pilots grossing year one?

Is this on the 74 or 76?

Im typed on the first, would that matter when it comes to be selected for an aircraft?

That’s on the 74. The 76 guys only make guarantee. You’ll be asked at the interview what your fleet preference is.

Now back to Western Global questions

Soooooo, what can a 1st year Western guy expect to make?

What are the upgrade times looking like?

Is it a decent place to make a lifelong career?

Two of my friends work there and one told me he expected to make 96k his first year.

Keep in mind they are also factoring in per diem and 401k match as pay, or are on the road 23 days per month to make that much.

382 X 18 Days = 6876
572 X 2 Days = 1146
764 X 3 days = 2292
60 X 23 days = 1380
Total. 11694/mo

12 months X 11694/mo = 140,328

That's based on the advertised rates for WGA, without factoring in 401K match, for the 23 days you cited. Run the numbers yourself.

Use the APC airline profile numbers.

First 18 days at base rate, first year 382/day
Second 2 days at 1.5 times daily rate
Subsequent days at 2.0 times daily rate
Per Diem at 60/day (100/day when it goes into following month)

Based on that, with the monthly 17 days, is 77,982 first year pay, before per diem.

17 days per diem at 60/day is 12,240 for the year

Total, counting per diem, is 90,222.

Some count per diem, some don't. Given that it's untaxed and that much of it isn't used, it is a form of income, whether one counts it or not. It's not wage, but most pilots don't consume their per diem on the road.

Those are the numbers; the question remains, what are pilots actually getting?

The previous number of 96 thousand doesn't sound unreasonable. If 23 days are flown as you suggest, however, for a first year pilot, then it's considerably more than 96 grand.

Well yes and no I guess. Are they still doing training pay? (I'm asking, I haven't paid attention) I hear the OE wait is long these day also.