Atlas
08-10-2018, 08:05 AM
#51
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Position: Wichita
Posts: 686
Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
You know, I may be no expert on these things, but I think that Chateau Elan Winery and Resort is the name of the place and they offer more than just wine (and pretty much all hotels offer wine btw). Like I would imagine they have rooms you can pay for to sleep in and food that you can buy to eat. So if our stewards go someplace to meet, I am OK with paying for them to do that.
The way my math works out, $11,000 divided between 1750 pilots is about $7.00 out of my pocket for this meeting. This is about 70 cents per steward for our 10 stewards and that allows them to meet and figure out how best to represent me against an ever increasingly hostile company.
A better question is why a retired guy even cares about whats happening here and why he has so much hostility towards our union ...
The way my math works out, $11,000 divided between 1750 pilots is about $7.00 out of my pocket for this meeting. This is about 70 cents per steward for our 10 stewards and that allows them to meet and figure out how best to represent me against an ever increasingly hostile company.
A better question is why a retired guy even cares about whats happening here and why he has so much hostility towards our union ...
You can not be serious. Chateau Elan is not an appropriate meeting location for a union. Last time I checked Holiday Inns still have conference rooms. This is absolutely absurd that we are paying for them to go out of their way to Braselton, Georgia that is nowhere near an airport to a winery and resort mansion to “discuss” our lack of strategy. Hopefully all of our reps broke 100 out there on the golf course. I’d hate for them to embarrass themselves at such a nice place.
Last edited by JackStraw; 08-10-2018 at 08:21 AM.
08-10-2018, 08:37 AM
#52
O.T. Freight Dog
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Former 747 Captain
Posts: 150
Originally Posted by JackStraw
You can not be serious. Chateau Elan is not an appropriate meeting location for a union. Last time I checked Holiday Inns still have conference rooms. This is absolutely absurd that we are paying for them to go out of their way to Braselton, Georgia that is nowhere near an airport to a winery and resort mansion to “discuss” our lack of strategy. Hopefully all of our reps broke 100 out there on the golf course. I’d hate for them to embarrass themselves at such a nice place.
My point exactly! Plus why is Bourne STILL getting 80+ K a year from 1224 when he gets paid, BOURNE , DAVID TRADE DIVISION DIRECTOR $208,717 ??
08-10-2018, 09:41 AM
#53
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 30
All 1224 Line Pilots,
This thread is FULL of the same reasons K4 stopped paying this corrupt leadership for poor, no, or MISREPRESENTATION. We paid an assessment for years, and had several pilots inquire about the balance or where the money was being spent, and 1224 produced ZERO information for any of it. They talk tough, (We hold the line!) and now they are signing off on Southern to get an average $9.00 dollar an hour raise and GIVE UP home basing, UNBELIEVABLE! Oh I am sorry, the new $79 per hour first and second year pay for the B737s will probably fix the recruitment problem for that program. Dan Wells sold the Southern pilots down the road, as saying no to this pathetic amendment was the only real way to keep pressure on AWWH. K4 Pilots wish you all the best for new contracts, sadly the 1224 leadership and legal group only knows how to file lawsuits and then LOSE in court.
Baron
This thread is FULL of the same reasons K4 stopped paying this corrupt leadership for poor, no, or MISREPRESENTATION. We paid an assessment for years, and had several pilots inquire about the balance or where the money was being spent, and 1224 produced ZERO information for any of it. They talk tough, (We hold the line!) and now they are signing off on Southern to get an average $9.00 dollar an hour raise and GIVE UP home basing, UNBELIEVABLE! Oh I am sorry, the new $79 per hour first and second year pay for the B737s will probably fix the recruitment problem for that program. Dan Wells sold the Southern pilots down the road, as saying no to this pathetic amendment was the only real way to keep pressure on AWWH. K4 Pilots wish you all the best for new contracts, sadly the 1224 leadership and legal group only knows how to file lawsuits and then LOSE in court.
Baron
08-10-2018, 10:03 AM
#54
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 666
Originally Posted by The Baron
Dan Wells sold the Southern pilots down the road, as saying no to this pathetic amendment was the only real way to keep pressure on AWWH. K4 Pilots wish you all the best for new contracts, sadly the 1224 leadership and legal group only knows how to file lawsuits and then LOSE in court.
Baron
Baron
08-10-2018, 10:39 AM
#55
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Posts: 30
Well Mr. RyeMex,
First DW prevented K4 pilots from voting on a complete contact with a 55% initial raise, over how many hours our crews could be on duty for double crew duty periods. Not ONE K4 pilot wanted shorter duty days in our surveys. Putting a pathetic stop gap measure out vote to help AWWHs management with serious recruitment problems, and allowing management to lure them with a 30K bonus when they should all be making 100K a year more,every year is disgraceful! So you see it depends on if DW thinks its good for him and AWWHs management, you get to vote, if not them he decides no, you cant vote. Why is the Southern EXCOs name and signature NOT on the agreement? My guess he felt insulted, said NO WAY! So Wells, Bourne, some 1224 lawyer and CEO of Southern put their names on this disgraceful document that has 12 year B777 Captains BELOW $200 per hour.
Baron
First DW prevented K4 pilots from voting on a complete contact with a 55% initial raise, over how many hours our crews could be on duty for double crew duty periods. Not ONE K4 pilot wanted shorter duty days in our surveys. Putting a pathetic stop gap measure out vote to help AWWHs management with serious recruitment problems, and allowing management to lure them with a 30K bonus when they should all be making 100K a year more,every year is disgraceful! So you see it depends on if DW thinks its good for him and AWWHs management, you get to vote, if not them he decides no, you cant vote. Why is the Southern EXCOs name and signature NOT on the agreement? My guess he felt insulted, said NO WAY! So Wells, Bourne, some 1224 lawyer and CEO of Southern put their names on this disgraceful document that has 12 year B777 Captains BELOW $200 per hour.
Baron
08-10-2018, 10:53 AM
#56
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Position: 777 Left window seat
Posts: 640
Originally Posted by The Baron
Well Mr. RyeMex,
First DW prevented K4 pilots from voting on a complete contact with a 55% initial raise, over how many hours our crews could be on duty for double crew duty periods. Not ONE K4 pilot wanted shorter duty days in our surveys. Putting a pathetic stop gap measure out vote to help AWWHs management with serious recruitment problems, and allowing management to lure them with a 30K bonus when they should all be making 100K a year more,every year is disgraceful! So you see it depends on if DW thinks its good for him and AWWHs management, you get to vote, if not them he decides no, you cant vote. Why is the Southern EXCOs name and signature NOT on the agreement? My guess he felt insulted, said NO WAY! So Wells, Bourne, some 1224 lawyer and CEO of Southern put their names on this disgraceful document that has 12 year B777 Captains BELOW $200 per hour.
Baron
First DW prevented K4 pilots from voting on a complete contact with a 55% initial raise, over how many hours our crews could be on duty for double crew duty periods. Not ONE K4 pilot wanted shorter duty days in our surveys. Putting a pathetic stop gap measure out vote to help AWWHs management with serious recruitment problems, and allowing management to lure them with a 30K bonus when they should all be making 100K a year more,every year is disgraceful! So you see it depends on if DW thinks its good for him and AWWHs management, you get to vote, if not them he decides no, you cant vote. Why is the Southern EXCOs name and signature NOT on the agreement? My guess he felt insulted, said NO WAY! So Wells, Bourne, some 1224 lawyer and CEO of Southern put their names on this disgraceful document that has 12 year B777 Captains BELOW $200 per hour.
Baron
The LOA also takes “amalgamation” off the table if both groups end up in arbitration. 94.76% of the Southern pilots saw more upside than down side when deciding whether to vote yes/no.
08-10-2018, 11:48 AM
#57
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: 757 FO
Posts: 87
Re: Chateau Elon
Just some background on that meeting. It’s unsolicited, and I have no dog in the fight other than wanting to get accurate information out there.
I no longer work at Atlas, but was part of the meeting. The location was chosen because it was off peak season. It was freezing. So no golf. (I definitely would have exceeded 100 anyway) Place was a ghost town and affordable. Ever go to Niagra Falls in Winter? Kinda like that...
At the time, 6 individuals attending the meeting lived in or within driving distance of Atlanta. This saves on transportation costs. I took a jumpseat down and caught a ride with one of them.
Trust me, we would have much rather stayed in the city of Atlanta rather than drive to that place. I got food poisoning from their crappy lunch buffet.
Additionally, it wasn’t just a steward meeting, but the stewards called the meeting. Sometimes is is very beneficial to get people in the same room to discuss grievance proceedings in person. All stewards and one EXCO member were present, as well as some negotiating committee members and the entire scheduling committee.
In total, there were 17 people at the meeting, if memory serves. So that cost paid for meals, lodging, etc for those people for 4 days.
Anyway, it’s unsolicited information, but I thought I would throw it out there.
Good luck, and keep up the good fight. Hopefully with your bosses and not against each other.
I no longer work at Atlas, but was part of the meeting. The location was chosen because it was off peak season. It was freezing. So no golf. (I definitely would have exceeded 100 anyway) Place was a ghost town and affordable. Ever go to Niagra Falls in Winter? Kinda like that...
At the time, 6 individuals attending the meeting lived in or within driving distance of Atlanta. This saves on transportation costs. I took a jumpseat down and caught a ride with one of them.
Trust me, we would have much rather stayed in the city of Atlanta rather than drive to that place. I got food poisoning from their crappy lunch buffet.
Additionally, it wasn’t just a steward meeting, but the stewards called the meeting. Sometimes is is very beneficial to get people in the same room to discuss grievance proceedings in person. All stewards and one EXCO member were present, as well as some negotiating committee members and the entire scheduling committee.
In total, there were 17 people at the meeting, if memory serves. So that cost paid for meals, lodging, etc for those people for 4 days.
Anyway, it’s unsolicited information, but I thought I would throw it out there.
Good luck, and keep up the good fight. Hopefully with your bosses and not against each other.
08-10-2018, 03:58 PM
#58
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: B777
Posts: 31
Originally Posted by The Baron
Well Mr. RyeMex,
First DW prevented K4 pilots from voting on a complete contact with a 55% initial raise, over how many hours our crews could be on duty for double crew duty periods. Not ONE K4 pilot wanted shorter duty days in our surveys. Putting a pathetic stop gap measure out vote to help AWWHs management with serious recruitment problems, and allowing management to lure them with a 30K bonus when they should all be making 100K a year more,every year is disgraceful! So you see it depends on if DW thinks its good for him and AWWHs management, you get to vote, if not them he decides no, you cant vote. Why is the Southern EXCOs name and signature NOT on the agreement? My guess he felt insulted, said NO WAY! So Wells, Bourne, some 1224 lawyer and CEO of Southern put their names on this disgraceful document that has 12 year B777 Captains BELOW $200 per hour.
Baron
First DW prevented K4 pilots from voting on a complete contact with a 55% initial raise, over how many hours our crews could be on duty for double crew duty periods. Not ONE K4 pilot wanted shorter duty days in our surveys. Putting a pathetic stop gap measure out vote to help AWWHs management with serious recruitment problems, and allowing management to lure them with a 30K bonus when they should all be making 100K a year more,every year is disgraceful! So you see it depends on if DW thinks its good for him and AWWHs management, you get to vote, if not them he decides no, you cant vote. Why is the Southern EXCOs name and signature NOT on the agreement? My guess he felt insulted, said NO WAY! So Wells, Bourne, some 1224 lawyer and CEO of Southern put their names on this disgraceful document that has 12 year B777 Captains BELOW $200 per hour.
Baron
08-10-2018, 05:38 PM
#59
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Position: B-757/767 Left Right Left, aww, who can keep up...
Posts: 243
Originally Posted by Elusive Napkin
Just some background on that meeting. It’s unsolicited, and I have no dog in the fight other than wanting to get accurate information out there. ...
You're letting reality creep in to ruin a good bad ignorant impression?!
08-11-2018, 06:45 AM
#60
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: 747
Posts: 1,290
The Baron ... Please get your facts straight prior to posting more incorrect information about Southern, Atlas, 1224, ETOPS, etc. etc. Being proved wrong time after time only hurts your credibility. A little research never hurt anyone! (... except K4 lol)
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