ATI QOL and more
05-01-2018, 10:58 AM
#31
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How many years is the new industry low ACMI contract just signed? Spirit, OMNI, Kalitta and many more much did much better but caving was the best option for ALPA. Nothing to see here move on to a carrier that values its pilots!
05-03-2018, 07:16 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by V1Rotate
Kept seeing references to scabs in other threads as well. Can you fill me in on this history or send a link or something?
In other words, ATI pilots did what just about anyone would do under the circumstances; they flew their schedule.
And 3 or 4 ABEX guys can't wrap their minds around that. Thankfully it's just the 3 or 4. Most ABEX guys are more lucid and mentally stable.
05-03-2018, 07:59 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by FlyLate
I'll be happy to take this one. ABEX pilots had a legitimate beef with how management was violating their contract. They decided to go on strike, but ATI pilots, who belong to ALPA, were not informed. And furthermore, ATI pilots got no guidance from ALPA. ATI pilots flew their own scheduled flights, to their previously scheduled destinations, in their own airplanes, carrying their own freight, and didn't refuse to fly in solidarity with ABEX's super secret strike plan. Atlas, which was a Teamsters outfit like ABEX, did refuse to fly, honoring the ABEX strike. BTW, a judge ordered ABEX back to work pretty much immediately. But ATI, for failing to consult a psychic in anticipation of the super double secret strike plan, and being unable to read minds, and for then flying their established schedule, have now been labeled by certain disingenuous mental midgets as "scabs". Apparently some people throw around that word rather casually, devaluing the term to the point of meaninglessness. But we are talking about mental midgets...
In other words, ATI pilots did what just about anyone would do under the circumstances; they flew their schedule.
And 3 or 4 ABEX guys can't wrap their minds around that. Thankfully it's just the 3 or 4. Most ABEX guys are more lucid and mentally stable.
In other words, ATI pilots did what just about anyone would do under the circumstances; they flew their schedule.
And 3 or 4 ABEX guys can't wrap their minds around that. Thankfully it's just the 3 or 4. Most ABEX guys are more lucid and mentally stable.
05-03-2018, 08:02 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by FlyLate
ATI pilots flew their own scheduled flights, to their previously scheduled destinations, in their own airplanes, carrying their own freight
Now, I wonder who determines which airline flies each route? I'm sure someone will chime in.
Good ol' ACMI.
05-03-2018, 08:07 PM
#35
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Originally Posted by FlyLate
I'll be happy to take this one. ABEX pilots had a legitimate beef with how management was violating their contract. They decided to go on strike, but ATI pilots, who belong to ALPA, were not informed. And furthermore, ATI pilots got no guidance from ALPA. ATI pilots flew their own scheduled flights, to their previously scheduled destinations, in their own airplanes, carrying their own freight, and didn't refuse to fly in solidarity with ABEX's super secret strike plan. Atlas, which was a Teamsters outfit like ABEX, did refuse to fly, honoring the ABEX strike. BTW, a judge ordered ABEX back to work pretty much immediately. But ATI, for failing to consult a psychic in anticipation of the super double secret strike plan, and being unable to read minds, and for then flying their established schedule, have now been labeled by certain disingenuous mental midgets as "scabs". Apparently some people throw around that word rather casually, devaluing the term to the point of meaninglessness. But we are talking about mental midgets...
In other words, ATI pilots did what just about anyone would do under the circumstances; they flew their schedule.
And 3 or 4 ABEX guys can't wrap their minds around that. Thankfully it's just the 3 or 4. Most ABEX guys are more lucid and mentally stable.
In other words, ATI pilots did what just about anyone would do under the circumstances; they flew their schedule.
And 3 or 4 ABEX guys can't wrap their minds around that. Thankfully it's just the 3 or 4. Most ABEX guys are more lucid and mentally stable.
05-03-2018, 08:35 PM
#36
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Originally Posted by FlyLate
I'll be happy to take this one. ABEX pilots had a legitimate beef with how management was violating their contract. They decided to go on strike, but ATI pilots, who belong to ALPA, were not informed. And furthermore, ATI pilots got no guidance from ALPA. ATI pilots flew their own scheduled flights, to their previously scheduled destinations, in their own airplanes, carrying their own freight, and didn't refuse to fly in solidarity with ABEX's super secret strike plan. Atlas, which was a Teamsters outfit like ABEX, did refuse to fly, honoring the ABEX strike. BTW, a judge ordered ABEX back to work pretty much immediately. But ATI, for failing to consult a psychic in anticipation of the super double secret strike plan, and being unable to read minds, and for then flying their established schedule, have now been labeled by certain disingenuous mental midgets as "scabs". Apparently some people throw around that word rather casually, devaluing the term to the point of meaninglessness. But we are talking about mental midgets...
In other words, ATI pilots did what just about anyone would do under the circumstances; they flew their schedule.
And 3 or 4 ABEX guys can't wrap their minds around that. Thankfully it's just the 3 or 4. Most ABEX guys are more lucid and mentally stable.
In other words, ATI pilots did what just about anyone would do under the circumstances; they flew their schedule.
And 3 or 4 ABEX guys can't wrap their minds around that. Thankfully it's just the 3 or 4. Most ABEX guys are more lucid and mentally stable.
05-04-2018, 05:40 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by FlyLate
I'll be happy to take this one. ABEX pilots had a legitimate beef with how management was violating their contract. They decided to go on strike, but ATI pilots, who belong to ALPA, were not informed. And furthermore, ATI pilots got no guidance from ALPA. ATI pilots flew their own scheduled flights, to their previously scheduled destinations, in their own airplanes, carrying their own freight, and didn't refuse to fly in solidarity with ABEX's super secret strike plan. Atlas, which was a Teamsters outfit like ABEX, did refuse to fly, honoring the ABEX strike. BTW, a judge ordered ABEX back to work pretty much immediately. But ATI, for failing to consult a psychic in anticipation of the super double secret strike plan, and being unable to read minds, and for then flying their established schedule, have now been labeled by certain disingenuous mental midgets as "scabs". Apparently some people throw around that word rather casually, devaluing the term to the point of meaninglessness. But we are talking about mental midgets...
In other words, ATI pilots did what just about anyone would do under the circumstances; they flew their schedule.
And 3 or 4 ABEX guys can't wrap their minds around that. Thankfully it's just the 3 or 4. Most ABEX guys are more lucid and mentally stable.
In other words, ATI pilots did what just about anyone would do under the circumstances; they flew their schedule.
And 3 or 4 ABEX guys can't wrap their minds around that. Thankfully it's just the 3 or 4. Most ABEX guys are more lucid and mentally stable.
05-04-2018, 05:55 AM
#38
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Somebody forgot to mention ALPA ATI didn't support the ABX single carrier filing either. It could have ended the wipsaw, gained a much better pay rate, qol and retirement for all but sadly ATI ALPA is too dumb to figure out how to negotiate things like fences and seat locks and protect home basing. They would rather fly under the worst acmi contract in the industry......scope that expires lol, vacation on days off....no retirement, no trip trades.
05-04-2018, 06:28 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
Sorry but NJASAP was made aware, we had guidance on it and acted accordingly. Where you are grossly mistaking, is that ALPA knew and SPECIFICALLY SAID THEY DO NOT RECOGNIZE OR ACKNOWLEDGE THE PICKET LINE. Any union pilot knows better than that.
05-04-2018, 08:45 AM
#40
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Originally Posted by FlyLate
I'll be happy to take this one. ABEX pilots had a legitimate beef with how management was violating their contract. They decided to go on strike, but ATI pilots, who belong to ALPA, were not informed. And furthermore, ATI pilots got no guidance from ALPA. ATI pilots flew their own scheduled flights, to their previously scheduled destinations, in their own airplanes, carrying their own freight, and didn't refuse to fly in solidarity with ABEX's super secret strike plan. Atlas, which was a Teamsters outfit like ABEX, did refuse to fly, honoring the ABEX strike. BTW, a judge ordered ABEX back to work pretty much immediately. But ATI, for failing to consult a psychic in anticipation of the super double secret strike plan, and being unable to read minds, and for then flying their established schedule, have now been labeled by certain disingenuous mental midgets as "scabs". Apparently some people throw around that word rather casually, devaluing the term to the point of meaninglessness. But we are talking about mental midgets...
In other words, ATI pilots did what just about anyone would do under the circumstances; they flew their schedule.
And 3 or 4 ABEX guys can't wrap their minds around that. Thankfully it's just the 3 or 4. Most ABEX guys are more lucid and mentally stable.
In other words, ATI pilots did what just about anyone would do under the circumstances; they flew their schedule.
And 3 or 4 ABEX guys can't wrap their minds around that. Thankfully it's just the 3 or 4. Most ABEX guys are more lucid and mentally stable.
