I don't have a dog in the ABX-ATI issue other than being in the same local 1224 as you and future probable conflicts for us.

A point in fact, we all work under the RLA (Railway Labor Act) not the NLRA. Two distinctly different things and why we are probably always playing catch up.

Exactly..the NLRA has nothing to do with airlines or railroads...... it just doesnt.

DOH!

You are correct and I am wrong. ( First time EVER. Really. :) )

I also effed' up in my statement " ...cross the picket line."

Let me try again:

Under the RLA ( NOT the NLRA ):

> " Carriers may lawfully replace strikers engaged in a lawful strike but may not, however, discharge them... or eliminate their jobs to retaliate against them for striking."

So..You Would NOT cross the Line and you would still have some protections under the RLA.

I will refrain from posting Sober in the future as it seems to mess up my thought processes.

STK

( ^^^ Haha...look at him backpedaling trying to " Fix Stupid " !!! ^^^)

They are shutting that place down. Slowly shutting it down. Hoping most people leave on their own which will save them money in the long run. At some point they are going to pull the plug. How many pilots do you guys have now? under 200? Just curious, it was around 250 at 1 point.

I hope you guys get a new contract and some new business, hell I would love to return but I just dont see it.

125 captains and 108 FOs on the bid list this month, and I know there are a few out on medical. I moved up two spots. Haven't heard who else might be leaving soon. A class is supposed to be starting this month. Don't know how many are expected to be in it.

It was 265 in april 2017.

I guess Soapys furlough comments served his purpose!

An important near-term issue for the volume of business serviced by ABX is the what happens with the DHL contract that expires in about 9 months. At that time, the CAM leases to DHL on the 767-200s expire. The CMI agreement for ABX to operate the 767-200s and 767-300s also expires then. The dry leases on the 767-300s expire at various times between 2019 through 2025. A significant question is to what extent DHL finds itself wanting to replace some or all of the remaining 767-200s with -300s from, say Kalitta, who should have at least 5 in his fleet by then, or Atlas, which seems presently to be converting more -300s than they need for Amazon. Also whether DHL wants to continue to use ABX to operate the dry-leased -300s.

DHL is of course the kind of operation that can probably best use the express-carrier orientation and tribal knowledge of ABX, even if it doesn't always appreciate its own need for a precision carrier like ABX. Although DHL has been reducing its utilization of ABX in kind of a Water Torture drip-drip-drip, management should be able to put an appealing-enough offer on the table to structure the retention of at least some of that flying. CAM ought to be doing what it can to find a DHL use (preferably in this country) for those -200s that really don't have much market value outside of DHL.

Obviously, labor peace would make the offer more appealing, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Indeed, management is probably better off figuring out how much flying ABX actually needs to do when determining just how badly it needs to reach a labor agreement.

I do hope that things work out in a way that preserves this very-special and rich-in-history carrier, which of course is a direct result of the long-term excellent work of its pilots and large number of other employees.

The hell with JH and Soapy. Let’s shut down the place and get it over with.

ABX has been hell on earth since 2009. And they still treat us like garbage. I am done with being nice. If they want to keep turning down work/flights to force us to capitulate, they are misunderstanding their pilot group. We already gave in 2009 and we are not giving again. We are against the ropes and we have nothing to lose. We are very dangerous.

Then Light at the End of the Tunnel is ABX’s Death! I would guess less than a year! Who would come for a short time to start over looking for another job?

Who would come to a place that doesn’t have known crew member?

Oh the company is willing to negotiate for it. All we have to do is drop our D6 days.

No other company has to negotiate for KCM...


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We had to at K4. Our D.O. Held it hostage until we signed our contract.

Things are unraveling nicely at ABX. Manager of crew scheduling resigned yesterday because of the incompetent clown-circus. This gets funnier by the minute. Was that overly toxic Joe?

Got that right! They could offer Kalitta++ and full retro tomorrow, but without KCM, I'd still tell them to take this job and shove it! Gotta keep your priorities straight.

Everything is negotiable.....what are you willing to give up? ABX has a max 16hr duty day. Would you work 20-24+ for KCM? Give up REA pay? We can get all our flights catered and home basing if we agreed to a suck a$$ contract like ATI or 24hr duty like K4. Me KCM is not worth a thing. All depends on what you willing to park airplanes for. JMHO

Mesa was subtracting money from their pilots' checks for it on the previous contract.

Its becoming just one of those things that is just industry standard. Even small 135 operators have KCM. We shouldn’t have to negotiate KCM, bc so many companies give it. Should we negotiate iPads or CASS? iPads saves the company money and CASS broadens the market for hiring pilots by allowing ppl to not live in CVG. Every other operator probably sees kcm as an improved efficiency. Therefore, why would we negotiate something improves efficiency and helps the company out. They should have given this years ago to help crews make it to their DHs.


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June new hire class
 

The word is 4 guys in the june 15th class.. they must not know how to read because nonody in their right mind would come here after all the reality checks offered here from the guys who are living the nightmare.. ohh well some people dont learn till they get experience it for themselves.. let the beatings continue..

Why.....because the company attorneys convinced them along time ago that if the pilots want it....say no! That attitude has cost them millions over the years!

Its the Kavorka.

With all the unnecessary commercial deadheading now being done due to the company dropping the day/night waiver, I bet the first crew to get held up in security and miss their flight might get their attention. Clearly no one is doing the math on all the bag check fees they pay that they would not have to pay if we could just get our liquids through security with KCM. I'm not travelling in uniform just to save them a bag check fee.

DHL really missed the boat when they didn't adopt the "precision carrier C can"

You say that as if someone is actually paying attention? They have for years scheduled commercial flights based on saving 6 bucks with zero regard for connecting flights...and stranded crews and delayed flights numerous times. Why would that change?

ABX is getting closer to getting your “Amazon” bag tags everyday.

ATI is a big barrel of monkeys. Today out of the blue our Chief Pilot resigned.

Heard Bucky Jr is trying out.

I love it!:D

Sh@t show number two in progress. I’m sure that highly skilled aviator JV#2 will do a fine job. Maybe he can pass on techniques for landing with 2300lbs in a 767-300.

Isn’t it the ATSG way to promote the most incompetent guy to CP?

He probably felt there was no more reason to stick around since their most problematic scheduler crossed the fence to ABX.

Which scheduler? And if you say Z, I’m gonna start drinking heavily!

I didn't catch the name, but I don't think there was a Z in it. Just something something FAA, something something duty times.

Oh no!! This is nothing but a circle jerk inside ATSG.

Thank god......rumor only!

Rats on a Sinking Ship
 

Manager of Crew Scheduling quit today. Better to walk off a sinking ship than have to swim for shore.

A couple of schedulers are following him out the door as well (he's going to Atlas). Great atmosphere at ABX these days.

Actually we made out. Got rid of his ASTAR buddy as well

Airborne was a great company. ABX is probably the worst place that I have worked. Nearly all or if not all Captains are in a position to retire. I hope the managment personal who read this share the reality with all employees.

What happens if 1/3 of the Captains retire...Doors will close.
What happens we continue to loose 4 F/O’s per month with no new hires....Doors will close in six months.
What happens to all the support staff in Wilmington Ohio....well it’s obvious... ITS NOT A RAILROAD WITHOUT THE PILOTS THEIR IS NO ABX. THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE. IF YOU LIKE YOUR JOB SUPPORT THE PILOTS. ITS NOT JUST THE PILOTS WHO LOOSE IN THIS GAME. Pilot hating employees and management pay checks will stop also.

Guess what HG, Walmart will not tolerate your abusive attitude towards co-workers. Yes Pilots are co-workers.

Great Post! It should be published in the Wilmington Paper and/or a billboard in town. The ATSG employees don’t know how close they are to wheels coming off.

"I hope the managment personal who read this share the reality with all employees."

Now that is funny!