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Old 05-25-2018, 11:54 AM   #1
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We have just had someone on a union committee at ATI say that ABX is going to be dissolved this year.

I guess they should know since they work with management so much.

I hope people keep bailing so movement keeps up.
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We have just had someone on a union committee at ATI say that ABX is going to be dissolved this year.

I guess they should know since they work with management so much.

I hope people keep bailing so movement keeps up.
nope......
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We have just had someone on a union committee at ATI say that ABX is going to be dissolved this year.

I guess they should know since they work with management so much.

I hope people keep bailing so movement keeps up.

And you continue to believe everything your management sponsored union tells you?
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Hey that’s good news for ATI! One less picket line for scabs to cross. They should be very happy.
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Old 05-25-2018, 03:56 PM   #5
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We have just had someone on a union committee at ATI say that ABX is going to be dissolved this year.

I guess they should know since they work with management so much.

I hope people keep bailing so movement keeps up.
That could mean alot of ex ABX pilots at ATI to vote on the next contract....that would be a real fun place to work. Yippee
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That could mean alot of ex ABX pilots at ATI to vote on the next contract....that would be a real fun place to work. Yippee
Word has it if that happens, there’s already a committee in place to block any ABX pilots from getting a prime bag tag, these scabs are pretty jealous about any pilot group besides them representing.
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:57 AM   #7
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Word has it if that happens, there’s already a committee in place to block any ABX pilots from getting a prime bag tag, these scabs are pretty jealous about any pilot group besides them representing.
Whaaaat? No bag tag? Whats the point...they might as well go drive truck!
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We have just had someone on a union committee at ATI say that ABX is going to be dissolved this year.
This would seem to be an amazingly-stupid plan. (Which doesn't mean that it doesn't appear brilliant to the geniuses in Hooterville.) If you look at it from mgmt perspective, they have one airline that functions with little drama and one that currently has a lot of very-public drama, causing brain damage for managment and customers alike. If they don't want the drama, combining the two carriers, or hiring pilots from one into the other, makes no sense.

My impression, since the time of the Soaper hiring, is that mgmt wants to demoralize the pilot group to the point that whomever is left accepts a contract that, while not concessionary, isn't what folks were agitating for two years ago. And these remaining pilots can fly whatever DHL business is left. They could also fly the ABX-operated Amazon 767-200s until the 5-year leases expire (starting in 2-ish years), after which it is likely that those frames would be returned to CAM and replaced with something else (or moved to Atlas or Kalitta since they can't go to ATI). I don't think there has ever been a question that the pilot group at ABX is exceptionally-talented and operates in a unique way (where it otherwise should have been a pleasure for a younger pilot to work and to improve skills). If labor peace were ever to arrive, and customers to stop hating all the drama, then the place could begin slowly to expand again. In an environment of labor peace, ATSG should be able to sell ABX as a premium provider with higher performance metrics owing to express-like operating policies. (Of course, ABX would then have to perform at that level, and not every customer needs that; but there should be some developments on the horizon in the business generally where customers could be receptive to that pitch.)

Anyway, I think this is BS -- at least it should be -- but I suppose it is possible.
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Its just typical ATSG (Soaper) scare tactics. Sadly they don't realize that scaring the pilots here gets them to quit, not capitulate.

I am also actively seeking new employment. They've lost 4 pilots so far this month. I just talked to someone who's got a job next month and another one who has an interview. Plus one of the guys they just hired is already regretting coming here.

So it looks like more than 4 leaving next month.


This place is toxic. Get out while you can. We already took a concessionary contract in 2009. No way in hell am I giving away anything else. I'd rather burn it to the ground. I'm a no vote to anything less than getting back what we lost +.
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We have just had someone on a union committee at ATI say that ABX is going to be dissolved this year.
Anybody who believes anything they read on APC, especially as it relates to the ATSG/ATI/ABX complex, please contact me about some really fantastic real estate deals.
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