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nitefr8dog 06-08-2018 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by point432 (Post 2611162)
Its becoming just one of those things that is just industry standard. Even small 135 operators have KCM. We shouldn’t have to negotiate KCM, bc so many companies give it. Should we negotiate iPads or CASS? iPads saves the company money and CASS broadens the market for hiring pilots by allowing ppl to not live in CVG. Every other operator probably sees kcm as an improved efficiency. Therefore, why would we negotiate something improves efficiency and helps the company out. They should have given this years ago to help crews make it to their DHs.


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Why.....because the company attorneys convinced them along time ago that if the pilots want it....say no! That attitude has cost them millions over the years!

Almost There 06-09-2018 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by mukalel (Post 2611175)
The word is 4 guys in the june 15th class.. they must not know how to read because nonody in their right mind would come here after all the reality checks offered here from the guys who are living the nightmare.. ohh well some people dont learn till they get experience it for themselves.. let the beatings continue..

Its the Kavorka.

woog315 06-10-2018 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by point432 (Post 2611162)
Its becoming just one of those things that is just industry standard. Even small 135 operators have KCM. We shouldn’t have to negotiate KCM, bc so many companies give it. Should we negotiate iPads or CASS? iPads saves the company money and CASS broadens the market for hiring pilots by allowing ppl to not live in CVG. Every other operator probably sees kcm as an improved efficiency. Therefore, why would we negotiate something improves efficiency and helps the company out. They should have given this years ago to help crews make it to their DHs.


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With all the unnecessary commercial deadheading now being done due to the company dropping the day/night waiver, I bet the first crew to get held up in security and miss their flight might get their attention. Clearly no one is doing the math on all the bag check fees they pay that they would not have to pay if we could just get our liquids through security with KCM. I'm not travelling in uniform just to save them a bag check fee.

BoomerSooner 06-10-2018 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by wjcandee (Post 2609325)

DHL is of course the kind of operation that can probably best use the express-carrier orientation and tribal knowledge of ABX, even if it doesn't always appreciate its own need for a precision carrier like ABX.

DHL really missed the boat when they didn't adopt the "precision carrier C can"

nitefr8dog 06-11-2018 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by woog315 (Post 2611795)
With all the unnecessary commercial deadheading now being done due to the company dropping the day/night waiver, I bet the first crew to get held up in security and miss their flight might get their attention. Clearly no one is doing the math on all the bag check fees they pay that they would not have to pay if we could just get our liquids through security with KCM. I'm not travelling in uniform just to save them a bag check fee.

You say that as if someone is actually paying attention? They have for years scheduled commercial flights based on saving 6 bucks with zero regard for connecting flights...and stranded crews and delayed flights numerous times. Why would that change?

midnightshuttle 06-12-2018 08:11 PM

ABX is getting closer to getting your “Amazon” bag tags everyday.

ATI is a big barrel of monkeys. Today out of the blue our Chief Pilot resigned.

Heard Bucky Jr is trying out.

FR8Dog7 06-13-2018 04:43 AM


Originally Posted by Almost There (Post 2611400)
Its the Kavorka.



I love it!:D

motorclutch 06-13-2018 05:59 AM

Sh@t show number two in progress. I’m sure that highly skilled aviator JV#2 will do a fine job. Maybe he can pass on techniques for landing with 2300lbs in a 767-300.

tiredofjrm 06-13-2018 06:47 AM

Isn’t it the ATSG way to promote the most incompetent guy to CP?

Reactivity 06-13-2018 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by midnightshuttle (Post 2613371)
Today out of the blue our Chief Pilot resigned.

He probably felt there was no more reason to stick around since their most problematic scheduler crossed the fence to ABX.


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