I think most of us hate the ATI chicken$h!t$ pilot group who agreed to a horible scheduling rules, crappy Disabilty, low pay raise contract that is now the ATSG standard. And the scabs......
There is a reason we are using K4 plus instead of ATI for the high watermark.
Idiots....
Plus the furloughed pilots voted overwhelmingly for the concessionary contract to get their incredibly high DHL funded severance checks. You can't have it both ways!

I don’t blame those who went to ATI for work, I came to ABX for the experience just like those at ATI. While I would love to make a career out of ABX, the future is bleak. So I’ll do my time and move on. I’ll do my part to make it a better place for the next guy. I won’t chastise an entire airline group for the actions of a few.

And good for you....you came to ABX with plans to leave. Quite a few did not and the pr!@ks at ATI took a lowball contract when the whole world is getting more....and now ATSG/ABX management thinks for some crazy reason ABX pilots will take one in the tailpipe like ATI did.

Hate all you want. Like flattery, it'll get you nowhere.


So let me get this straight: ATI wasn't the ATSG standard when we were the worst airline and the lowest paid idiots on the ramp? But now that we are paid better than ABX (short of being baby-eating *****s or enjoying the benefit of unsustainable soft money, which we've never had, all when no one here "owns" anything) and work less (unless we want to), while never having to beg for a jump seat, own a crash pad, or an extra car, and, most importantly, raised the bar to a level no less than K4 (and Omni, who 1224 graciously decided to finally let vote on their own CBA only after the numbers behind our matching "low pay raise contract" were leaked), we're the new standard? Amazing how that works. And all that, despite that we don't have a FLEET of 747s (or 777s), and we do have a bunch of 757s.


Like K4 and like Omni, ATI has a true ACMI contract. It's what we do. It's imperfect. It's flexible. It addresses a dynamic atmosphere. Don't think for a second that K4+ wasn't our starting point. In fact, call it K4++. They were at it for a bit longer than we were, but they fought the good fight, and set the bar. We're on our third CBA, rising out of ashes. We scored huge gains compared with our previous CBA. THAT's ALL that's important. We raised the bar significantly for us, and kept the bar high for the next guys. That's ABX and Atlas. And at the same time, we've managed to NOT alienate our customers. We've managed to NOT alienate our mechanics, our loading crews, our admin folk, our van/limo drivers, our hotels.


And it's really interesting that MOST of you all here hate us. "MOST" of you constitutes what, exactly? About 10 of you? I can tell you this: 100% of you who enjoy our jumpseats don't seem to share your disdain. Or are you calling your own out as hypocrites? Again, funny how that works...

You all took a lowball dog$hit contract in these times.....sellout...

Keep wearing those blinders to bed, the shower, with family, friends, etc. They're obviously serving you well in your perfect world.

b707 guy,

ATIs contract is not even in the same ballpark as K4, and OMNI. You all bought a sh@t sandwitch with the new contract at ATI. It sure as he11 won't help ABX or Atlas with their negotiations. ATI fd the entire sector of the industry going forward!

My familiarity with Omni's contract is based solely on their publicly-released source. But, obviously, you've studied all three CBAs cover to cover. So do enlighten me with what constitutes your ballpark.

my ballpark is equal or better than K4, or Omni. Based on a publicly released source you are still less than by a good deal.

Yeah, I thought so. Provide details, or give it up now. I'll be happy to refute, corroborate, all-out support, or disprove anything you say that puts us in a different league.