ABX Upgrade Times
 

The top 46 First Officers out of 112 on the current bid list at ABX have had careers that have now touched two different centuries and three (soon to be four) different decades.

The most senior First Officer was hired in 1991. Number 46 was the last one hired during the 20th century. There is an 11 year gap between #46 and #47.

Beginning at number 17, (due to bypasses, etc.) and with a hire date of 1996, that person could not even hold a Captain spot if he wanted to. 22 years in so far and no chance of upgrade anytime soon.

Our most junior Captain was hired in 1996. (That was last century if you’re keeping track.)

Food for thought. Just saying.

then all those CA's should be dying soon....

Sounds like ABX is ripe for quick upgrades here in a few years.

Omg 😂😂 I’m in tears...

Hah, hah, hah. They are parking planes and losing contracts nearly as fast as they are retiring captains. There is negative growth here, and there is little reason to think that will change. We've been beaten to the punch by our sister/whipsaw airline. Plenty of guys with a decade+ left that will occupy the shrinking number of captain seats for many years to come! I hope I'm not around when most jr captain hits 30 years of seniority.

With that in mind.....why are you still at ABX?

Most have apps out and are leaving in case you haven't seen the list turn over at the bottom! Appears ATSG is shutting down ABX slowly. There will be jobs out there for those who wait till the last day.

What??? Dying???... Sixty is the new twenty!!! ;)

Don’t count on it. Upgrades would need route and/or fleet expansion. The opposite is happening at ABX. Because the ATSG and the ABX management refuses to change their ways of trying to beat down on the ABX pilot group, contract negotiations are going nowhere. So in turn DHL is rewarding K4 with more flying. Amazon is about to follow suit. So the ABX president might be in self fulfilling prophecy situation. ABX will shut down but due to his managerial failure and nothing to do with anything the pilots have or could do.

Perhaps because of age. At a certain point it doesn’t make any sense trying to start all over again.

Only antagonists ask this question and it appears every time a pilot posts a negative comment about their airline. There is no other reason for asking the question other than to troll for an argument. It is unprofessional and unproductive.

To build on the previous post about why a pilot would decide to stay, there are a lot of reasons that a pilot would not want to leave their company yet would continue to "complain" about their situation (not to mention the fact that many who post negative comments about their company are TRYING to leave but have not yet been able to leave). A sample of these reasons might include: Age, medical, legal, seniority, geographic, family, education, loyalty, financial, professional, emotional, physical, or personal.

There is also the fact that most people who post negative things about their airline (which is a REALLY BIG NUMBER!) want to stay at their airline and fight for improved working conditions. This is why many airline pilots work under good, lucrative contracts these days. They have stayed and fought for better situation rather than running away when things get hard.

Only cowards ask the questions "why are you still at ... " or "why don't you just leave ... ". It's not really a legitimate question about working conditions or opinions about the future of a particular airline. It is a question asked to antagonize and delegitimize someone who posts a critical statement and it is posted by people who only wish to degrade intelligent discussions on APC.

The seniority issue is a meaningful piece of this. I think some folks just don't feel like starting as a year 1 FO / doing reserve etc.

It's kind of mind blowing that ATI has upgrades in 3-4 years to CA (?) and ABX might have someone as FO for 20+ years?

A surprise strike that trapped customer cargo and generated headlines didn't impact DHL / Amazon thinking? Trap their stuff - they just aren't going to do business again - economics doesn't matter. I know the ABX pilots trash management, trash ATI etc etc, but it's a pilot group that doesn't seem at all self reflective.

Don’t talk without knowing the details. The ABX 1224 EXCO forewarned the ATSG upper management about the impending manning problems coming in the fourth quarter of 2016. The ATSG management replied by applying even more contractual violations and ignoring the manning problems forecasted. This after the ABX 1224 EXCO bailing out ATSG and ABX during the fourth quarter of 2015 due to the same manning reasons. The General Membership told the EXCO we are not doing it again and then be treated like dog poop. Plus late in the summer of 2016 the ABX EXCO presented a compromise proposal to the ATSG upper management to guarantee the even distribution of the ATSG’s airplanes between ABX & ATI. ATSG’s reply was that there are no guarantees in life. The ABX EXCO was protecting you guys at ATI. What did we get in return? Multiple stabs in the back.

Just so you know, the Amazon contract is between ATSG and Amazon. Amazon could care less how the flying is distributed internally in ATSG. The only reason you guys are getting all of those Amazon painted ATSG airplanes is due to the ABX’s Scope Clause and the lack of a Scope Clause at ATI. So don’t get any illusions that you guys are the chosen ones.

Don’t forget we have known JH longer than you guys. We are very experienced in his ways.

You actually act as if anyone gives a rats a$$ about what you think. I see guys crying about the working conditions and I seriously wonder why they still work there....do something else....anything else if you are miserable.

Try around 2 years or less.

ATI has under 2 year upgrdes.. and year 20 f/o s are still doing reserve at abx .. lol

2 years doesn't make sense to me. Who is filling FO slots then with upgrades that quick? Or is this some terrible line that goes super junior?

While 2yrs made it in the past upgrade is a little longer now. Still one of the best airlines in the industry. Someday maybe surpass the majors and equal Brown or Purple.

Haha....someday maybe surpass the majors and equal Brown or Purple....your killing me! Have you peed in a cup lately? LMAO

This guy has a co@k in his ear! Think it belongs to the most loathed VP in the industry.

...and no one gives a rats a$$ about what you think either jacka$$...

If a 20-year FO is doing reserve at ABX, it's because that 20-year FO bid for it. There are 2-year FOs who get a flying line every month.

I thought ATACCIATI might be trolling before. Now I know he is.

Are you ****ing serious you moron?

Touched a nerve did I...haha

Exactly.....nobody could be that big of an idiot..

Maybe thats true but i’d rather be a bathtoom attendant at a strip club than work for ATI. Loser company full of loser pilots. What do you get off? 13 days a month? How much does a 2 yr cpt make? You guys sold your soul to the devil and many people in the industry wont forget it. You guys undercut the only decent acmi carrier (until k4 got a contract) and you will always be a trash pilot group who cares more about Amazon bag tags than self respect. Suck ATI you sell outs

Sweet Jesus man that’s pretty harsh.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hey Sherpster.....you hit the nail on the head.

YOU ARE NOT AN AMAZON PRIME AIR PILOT. Stop telling that to your friends and family, it doesnt make you any cooler. Are you putting that on your resume? I would love to see how that PRIA request gets processed. Hopefully your local Amazon wharehouse hires you to sweep the floor when Amazon stops contracting with ATSG

Sellout

Whats up motor? Hope all is well man.

Knock yourself out in that strip club - maybe catch a raging case of sherpes.


No, we don't get 13 days off a month. Many of us get 13 out of 28 days off. A lot of us get 14 out of 28. Sucks, don't it?


How much does 2 yr cpt make? About $1000 less than your 20 yr FO, without whoring out or getting a single dollar of soft money. Our last upgrade announcement included a 2yr1mo loser pilot as the most junior selectee. When he finishes training, he'll be making about $30k more than your 20 yr FO. That sucks.


Thanks to your generous sharing, I've now seen one of these bag tags.


I'm not suggesting you go cold turkey, as I could only imagine how difficult that might be. But perhaps cut back a little on the size of the bowls of phalluses you've apparently been eating for breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day? Your friends (if you have any...) will probably appreciate it, too.

Dear scab, I dont work at Abx anymore but your undercutting of the profession affects every professional pilot and specifically my friends still at Abx.

I see I missed addressing a few of your points:


"You guys sold your soul to the devil and many people in the industry wont forget it." OK, so there are many people out there who won't forget it. But the VAST majority doesn't even care.


"You guys undercut the only decent acmi carrier (until k4 got a contract)"
Interesting that K4 is now a decent acmi carrier, thanks to their contract. Ours is very much on par with theirs. In some ways a little better, in some ways not so much. But we're the devil now. The only place ATI is as bad as you think is inside your cavernous and very thickly walled skull. Why is ABX even an ACMI carrier now? Because they (not you, any more, apparently) have about as much control over all of this as we do. ZIP.



I'll make you a deal. Since you're apparently as much of a scab as I am, then I'll stop killing puppies, stealing purses from helpless old ladies, and frightening children as soon as you do.


In the meantime, I'm going to go enjoy a nice, healthy breakfast. One that I'm guessing won't leave as much of a bitter taste as yours has.

I’ve never seen such a disgruntled and bitter group of people in my years of flying professionally.
By the way, please review the definition of scab.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You guys are a joke.

The issue boils down to this...
ABX 1224 sold their soul with a concessionary contract so as to continue to suck at the DHL teet. Then the “nifty 50” continued to crap on their own furloughed pilots by gorging themselves on as much open time as they could legally (maybe) grab. They are so filled with hate and self loathing, that they can’t help but project it on to others because, well....”it has to be someone else’s fault”. It’s all ATI’s fault for not giving in to 1224’s hostile demands that we bend over for a SCC, and give, GIVE, up our home basing. It’s all ATI’s fault that we didn’t cave into your EXCO’s threat, and I quote, “we will scope you out of existence. You’ll be nothing more than a four airplane Combi airline”.

At the end of the day, you can hate all want on ATI, but it all comes down to this. The only folks to blame for the predicament y’all are in is yourselves.

A strikebreaker (sometimes derogatorily called a scab, blackleg, or knobstick) is a person who works despite an ongoing strike. Strikebreakers are usually individuals who were not employed by the company prior to the trade union dispute, but rather hired after or during the strike to keep the organization running. "Strikebreakers" may also refer to workers (union members or not) who cross picket lines to work.
Aka Wikipedia 🙄

a : a contemptible person
b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms / dictionary Merrian-Webster

Scab...and working with scabs. And the whole industry knows it. Old guys who had to many busts or dwi's and were scared of ABX training program. New guys who want a quick type and some 767 time and head to a real airline with retirement and a future . Just like ABX the majority of ATI flying could be gone tomorrow.