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Whitesnake 08-30-2018 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by GeelErmo (Post 2664438)
Ive heard he was/is bad, really bad. So many chances had been given.

We attracted many more, quality people before David Soaper came and alienated everyone, and then drove the newly hired pilots away.
All this hiring and expense is due to DS, and as the gene pool dries up we end up hiring an occasional guy like the one who left during his IOE.

People won’t be gifted. And they shouldn’t be.

Soap, take note; you’re the one who said you’d have no problem getting people to come here. How’s that working
out for you ?
This is on you.

Shabby 08-30-2018 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by kevbo (Post 2664797)
It's like that with every job. Poor outcomes are rare so notoriety is based on other subjectives. He failed because his captain didn't like him and for no other reason.

If you think that he failed only because his captain didn’t like him, then you are very wrong!
This guy got more chances than anyone would give a new hire. He just couldn’t take advantage of it. Shows nothing else then how desperate they are right now. They are rarely getting anyone with PIC time. Almost all new hires are low hour pilots. The only pic time they have is in a cessna 172.
Everyone that applies gets an interview call and a job offer!
And it seems like People who are accepting the offer are going to abx just to get the 767 rating and some experience on it to move on to their next airline. Giving abx 6 months to 1 year to see if the management changes for the better, and they get a better contract with a pay raise, if not, they won’t stay.

motorclutch 08-31-2018 04:07 AM

Management is too stupid to admit this fact. As ATSG continues to sing the same BS line to investors during quarterly financial reports....Could we be getting close to that fine edge of an SEC violation?

TeamSasquatch 08-31-2018 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Shabby (Post 2665569)
The only pic time they have is in a cessna 172.


After reading this, Students at UND and ERAU are now applying by the thousands. :D

nitefr8dog 08-31-2018 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 2665555)
We attracted many more, quality people before David Soaper came and alienated everyone, and then drove the newly hired pilots away.
All this hiring and expense is due to DS, and as the gene pool dries up we end up hiring an occasional guy like the one who left during his IOE.

People won’t be gifted. And they shouldn’t be.

Soap, take note; you’re the one who said you’d have no problem getting people to come here. How’s that working
out for you ?
This is on you.

You say that as if Soaper actual reads APC and more importantly.....he could comprehend what you are saying. You are giving him way to much credit....

cargowarrior 08-31-2018 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2665825)
You say that as if Soaper actual reads APC and more importantly.....he could comprehend what you are saying. You are giving him way to much credit....

Oh I’m sure the Soap reads these post! Fuels the hate inside him. 😡

nitefr8dog 08-31-2018 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by cargowarrior (Post 2665834)
Oh I’m sure the Soap reads these post! Fuels the hate inside him. 😡

The hate inside is because he knows what a mess he made at ABX .....and he will be back painting houses again to fund his retirement....

Globe Master 08-31-2018 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2665928)
The hate inside is because he knows what a mess he made at ABX .....and he will be back painting houses again to fund his retirement....

1. Soap made a ton of money at Southern

2. He doesn’t give a rat fk about anything pilots say. He will continue to put dollars in his pocket. Laughing at all the banter on APC

On a side note, wait the thread is about new hires....

We’ve washed out several at Southern during OE, welcome to the party. 😀

nitefr8dog 08-31-2018 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Globe Master (Post 2665960)
1. Soap made a ton of money at Southern

2. He doesn’t give a rat fk about anything pilots say. He will continue to put dollars in his pocket. Laughing at all the banter on APC

On a side note, wait the thread is about new hires....

We’ve washed out several at Southern during OE, welcome to the party. 😀

He was painting houses with his son in law when ATSG hired him....ABX has washed their share out of OE over the years...just not after 50 hrs! He!! The DC8 had a 50% washout rate for initial for yrs and standards was proud of it....the 767 is different...you don't have to have much experience to make it through that program or flying skills....welcome to the
party!

tiredofjrm 08-31-2018 01:51 PM

You guys got it all wrong! Soaper is doing what he got hired to do. Drag out negotiations. Once/if we get a TA, you can bet your ass there wont be retro pay. So for every day he drags this out, ATSG saves a pretty penny. I'm hearing rumors of 5-10% of base pay. F...Dat!!

I want to see full retro + 2%. That is the only way to stop this BS.

I understand that it rewards the *****s. I don't care! I have never picked up an opentime trip. Nor will I ever. This is about making sure the next contract gets signed when its due.


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