de727ups

"But thanks to Big Brown for putting everyone in their place"

Your welcome.

I guess I see it as this...there is a right way and a wrong way to talk about this stuff here. You guys have diametrically opposing opinions. That's cool...

Just keep it professional, and without insult, and you can talk about it to your hearts content.

For example. One can pick up open time at UPS. It's straight time to boost your line credit. Some will say you shouldn't do it as it helps out the company. Others will say it's a contractural right to max out your line credit if you want.

Discuss....

It's just when I see a thread possibly heading down the slippery slope, I'd rather head it off at the pass. I know freight guys have thicker skin than pax guys, and it all means nothing, but we have standards here at APC...

This isn't flightinfo.

de727ups

"Flying DP's is wrong ..."

Says who?

You?
The union?
Or is it just popular opinion?
Is it in the contract?

CaptainMark

our SIG says...

FLMD11CAPT

Says our MEC via our SIG for reason's eloquntly illuminated via multiple previous postings (see Tony C's well thought out inputs)....to which I whole heartedly agree. Independant contracting is always harmful WRT DP's. Again see previous threads. WADR......FLMD11CAPT

FLMD11CAPT

sic? eloquently

HazCan

Yes, we can potentially have them in all seats here at FX.

First things first: does ALPA have a good email address for you? If so, you should be getting emails regarding which pairings are disputed. They come out every month right before you bid. If you don't have an email on file with them, get it set up.

The SIG (scheduling improvement group) works to build the bidpacks. Sometimes a pairing comes down the pipe that is considered onorous for one of many reasons. Now and then the company and the SIG can come to an agreement and fix these pairings prior to the bidpack coming out. Other times, they don't and these pairings go on a list called "disputed pairings".

The only way to get a disputed pairing is to 1)request it on your VTO, 2)pick it up from open time, or 3)get it assigned to you on reserve. The ONLY acceptable reason is #3. If this happens, please give some feedback to the SIG. This way they have some ammunition to help them get it changed. On the flip side, if greedy, selfish people continue to fly them the company has the ammunition to say "they must not be so onorous, look how popular they are."

In my simple caveman mind, the DP issue is about respect. Respect for your fellow crewmembers and especially the SIG. These guys VOLUNTEER a lot of time that they could be spending with their families. When someone picks up DPs, it's selfish. Basically, it tells the SIG: Nice work guys....for me to poop on!! (my regards to Triumph)

If you are getting and reading the emails from ALPA on the disputed pairings you'll be amazed at how smart you can become on this whole thing. SPREAD THE WORD.

MD11Fr8Dog

I say so, because the union says so, because the SIG says so! Yes, it is in the contract - defining the SIG - go read it yourself.
It is not as popular of an opinion as it needs to be, hence, this discussion!

TonyC

There is an excellent one-page article on the ALPA FedEx MEC Website that explains the Disputed Pairing. You should be careful when you read it -- some folks who were flying Disputed Pairings were offended to find a copy of the article in their trip folder and they cried.


Here's a link: Disputed Pairings Explained

(Of course, you'll have to log on to the website with your ALPA number and password. If you don't know how to do that, we can work on that, too.)


Here's the article:



The PSIT takes the issue of pairing disputes very seriously. Pairings are not disputed because the PSIT considers them to be merely “inconvenient.” A pairing will be disputed when identified by the FEDEX MEC as having been constructed with unsafe, onerous, or otherwise objectionable flying. The contractual procedures and handling of pairing disputes is outlined in the SIG letter of agreement in your Contract. An excerpt from the side letter: “Additionally, if on a recurring basis, a pairing, disputed or not, appears in open time and is routinely avoided by pilots trip trading or eligible for make-up, OTP, etc., and therefore must be assigned to a reserve pilot, the above procedure shall apply.” The “above procedure” referenced by the excerpt, would refer the disputed pairing to the Scheduling Dispute Board for resolution.

Disputed pairings should not be available in any bidpack lines and should not be assigned to any Secondary lines without a specific request, by pairing number, from the crewmember in the 36-hour request. Regarding those disputed pairings which the Company does not withhold from the bidpack-it is anticipated that, when the Company places any pairing that the FEDEX MEC believes is disputable on a secondary line, it is grievable under the Contract.



As a reminder, once open time is released, you can then get one of these disputed pairings by:One more thing-adding deadheads to a disputed pairing and making it available to another domicile is a clever fix to a predicament from a crew scheduling point of view, but it may not contain a solution to what made the pairing disputable in the first place. Please compare x-pairings to the original disputed pairing list to see if the pairing still contains the unsafe, onerous, or otherwise objectionable flying.







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Overnitefr8

I don't think he's at FedEx.

Bulletboy

Just because you keep saying this is stalking...doesn't make it so.

Look out...42GO and that dweeb FO are going to put an Internet restraining order on you......

I swear, my 7 year old daughter has thicker skin than some of our pilots.