nitefr8dog

Can you say..... fatigued

5Ypilot

I cannot say enough bad about Atlas, a complete disgrace and embarrassment to the industry. A toxic horrible work environment, I am in awe of what management is able to get away with, yet the planes still keep moving and the golden giant keeps reaping glorious profits. If anyone has an ounce of self respect they would not come here. I have had several people suggest with a straight face that I consider going to a regional (8th yr 767 CA). What I can say is, one way or another, I won't be working here soon. So that's my honest advice to anyone considering this dump. The ACMI charter thing can be interesting and Omni or Kalitta would be great if thats what floats your boat. If you hate your life, don't want to make any money, and don't want to be home then Atlas is worth a look.

PotatoChip

Perhaps some of them were bad pilots. At least two of them had been flying 727's for the past 10 years and had real struggles.
I'm aware the airlines you mentioned will hire folks like you describe. My point was simply that you said "nobody cares about the shape of the flight instruments you've been flying" is wrong. There are some that care. I'm not suggesting a person make a decision based on this, i'm just pointing out that some places DO care.

nitefr8dog

Mostly they care about how you do flying the sim on your interview check...the glass in most of the 767s is nothing more than general aviation stuff. The flat panel glass is an easy transition. We got the 767S in 1998 and everyone came from 20 yrs of round dial or basic efis...the flat panel glass was not an issue for anyone. Now... if they just are horible pilots the process will weed them out, if not during sims which is rote training...then during IOE when they have to seat of the pants fly the plane.

Reactivity

OK - now I'm curious. Who are these "some" to which you refer?

boeingdvr

Agreed. I've actually thought about going back to the RJ's as a DEC, signing bonus, and flow.

It's absolutely awful here, I can't believe how poor the pay, and work rules are.

KingAirKiddo

Sadly, I'm considering a lateral move or even DEC regional position, as well. I came here for the potential of what this place could be with a modicum of investment in people and infrastructure. The reality is that management is only interested in revenue production and bottom line results and could care less about organizational culture and keeping good employees happy and motivated.

Bottom line, "potential" does not pay the bills or hold my long term interest. I do not recommend Atlas to anybody in its present form.

HercDriver130

76s guys cant make that kind of change... not without a ton of OT anyway... there lines and flying is just not built that way.

boeingdvr

Don't plan on OT on the 76. First off, its seniority based. Secondly, after you've sat 10 days of r-3 at the hub, last thing you want to do is help the company out for a few bowls of porridge.

But, if you're dying to find out, come on over, and see for yourself!

PotatoChip

Largely corporate operators and some charter operators, and foreign contracts. If one steps outside of the airline box, and starts reading through other job postings, EFIS, glass, NG, and other buzz words are often used. Also, for many expat jobs there is an emphasis on glass cockpits and experience with advanced avionics. Yes, I realize this isn't the big US airlines, but I was just making the point that there are places that care, and you never know, you may suddenly find yourself in a position to need to apply to those places.
Flying a 767 with round gauges probably isn't going to hurt someone who has been flying Airbuses, but it at least might be a consideration to some people.
I remember when I flew at a regional that transitioned guys to the CRJ after decades of round dials. Several of them flat out quit, others struggled through the new cockpit, and others had no issues. Point is, as an HR recruiter hiring pilots, I'd want less of a chance of people struggling, so I'd choose those with experience that would have a better chance of success. And as we know, unfortunately we are in an HR driven hiring world now.
So while it may be a small point, it's still a consideration, and not a complete flip of the hand as if it doesn't matter at all.