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Old 01-25-2019, 09:17 AM   #11  
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I’ll expound. That is a re-occurring business model mindset. I don’t find it classy, either, but it is what it is.

In other words, if a business is not willing to adapt to changes in the industry, it will eventually close the doors due to client/customer shift to a more “updated” service or product.

The bottom line is, when it’s all said and done, their goal is to turn profits for themselves and investors while keeping costs low and if a company is not willing or able to adapt their product, they will close their doors eventually.

Anyways, I’ll go back to my hole now and stop jumping in where I do not belong.
Actually you belong more than most as your understanding of what's going on is spot on. I note the woman mentioned as running Amazon Air has no airline or air cargo experience. Outside the box thinking is typical of these new companies.
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Outside the box thinking is typical of these new companies.
So is cratering.

To be fair, a lot of craters didn't have Amazon's war chest behind them.
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But apparently Fred thinks its not a problem.... Wake up Fred! The stock market isn't buying your opinion.

Report: Amazon to roll out offerings to take market share from FedEx and UPS

https://www.logisticsmgmt.com/articl...9cwOPpOwGjRrIY
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You guys are idiots if you seriously think that, regardless of what they say in public, UPS and FX aren't watching every single move that Amazon makes and planning and executing a way to counter it.

These folks did not stooge into being world-class companies by accident.
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You guys are idiots if you seriously think that, regardless of what they say in public, UPS and FX aren't watching every single move that Amazon makes and planning and executing a way to counter it.

These folks did not stooge into being world-class companies by accident.
Absolutely! However, I think AMZN is going to be a much bigger logistics player much quicker than most people give them credit for. This will be an interesting year to watch as their intentions become more clear.
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Absolutely! However, I think AMZN is going to be a much bigger logistics player much quicker than most people give them credit for. This will be an interesting year to watch as their intentions become more clear.
FedEx or UPS can court the business' that funnel their business sales through AMZN. Afterall, logistics is simply that, logistics. These industry logistics competitors have competed with each other for decades. They competed with the USPS, DHL, and many others.
Each still delivers significant amount of AMZN business, and the percentage will decline in the future as AMZN builds its own networks, but a dynamic market. Its not a one way street.
Many seem quick to think they are going to decline to demise. Perhaps, but they also have the ability to siphon away business from AMZN on IT meeting customer and business side and take that to to their own web portals. AMZN relies on low cost labor models, historically, it will rise over time. Technology can be matched. Sure, they are impressive, and being shiny can drive some markets of logistics, but it is not likely to drive a FedEx or UPS out of business, especially if FedEx and UPS determine at some point to face off as competitors rather than seeing them as a customer as they are at present.
In its day, UPS was the disruptor, Fred was also a disruptor, now Bezos has the spotlight as a disruptor, welcome to the swimming pool.
Growing markets so not surprising AMZN looking how to maximize for AMZN.
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You guys are idiots if you seriously think that, regardless of what they say in public, UPS and FX aren't watching every single move that Amazon makes and planning and executing a way to counter it.

These folks did not stooge into being world-class companies by accident.
Maybe, but corporate cultures sometimes suffer from extremely myopic views and can't see the "forest for the trees". It's happened before and it'll happen again.
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You guys are idiots if you seriously think that, regardless of what they say in public, UPS and FX aren't watching every single move that Amazon makes and planning and executing a way to counter it.

These folks did not stooge into being world-class companies by accident.
Yes, I fully expect Fed Ex and UPS to make changes to remain competitive against what Amazon may come up with. It is this very expectation that I feel pilot pay and future labor contracts will eventually be affected, in the theme of lowering costs to match Amazon. This is also why I do not agree with people who put their head in the sand and think they are immune to Bezos.
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Yes, I fully expect Fed Ex and UPS to make changes to remain competitive against what Amazon may come up with. It is this very expectation that I feel pilot pay and future labor contracts will eventually be affected, in the theme of lowering costs to match Amazon. This is also why I do not agree with people who put their head in the sand and think they are immune to Bezos.
UPS and FedEx seeks to lower their costs every contract. Nothing new. It is already the standard. Think since first airline pilot contract that has been the standard. Regardless, some industry analysts have written about the expense AMZN pays now growing infrastructure wont be competitive if AMZN cannot better manage growth long term. Same problems all logistics providers face.
I don't think all heads are in the sand, but some appear to have theirs in the clouds. Its a gritty market, but I don't see pilots going lower in their contracts. Especially when AMZN is only about 5% of their market volume.
AMZN has along long way to go to manage their own market much less take away the other 95% of FedEx and 95% of UPS. That would be a phenomenal and rapid shift. The reality for AMZN is when UPS and FedEx decide to not treat AMZN as a customer and competes for the AMZN customers. Its just a website meeting point. We just haven't seen the tipping point publicly. Certainly no one credible thinks that UPS and FedEx are head in the sand ignoring the market dynamics. They have been doing it for decades and longer.
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UPS and FedEx seeks to lower their costs every contract..

Yep.... and once the Amazon “contract employees” who have no pension, no medical, no retirement, and no way to bargain a better deal.... get really really ****ed off and go on strike:

Amazon stock is gonna tank 20% overnight.

The whipsaw at the air carriers alone is gonna be a meltdown once they’ve had enough of the Bulz-Shizza. And they’re getting closer every day.





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