Atlas 767 v/s Western Global MD11
03-14-2019, 11:25 AM
#31
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Joined APC: Jun 2018
Position: recliner
Posts: 142
Originally Posted by jimjam
I'm really trying to understand why someone would choose Atlas over WGA at this point. Long upgrades, less money, unhappy pilot group.
No ASAP (supposedly on the way)
No CPLDC (supposedly on the way)
401k match is less at WGN
health insurance is more expensive
You will make more after about 4 or 5 years at Atlas on the 777 or 747
WGN doesn't have a quick upgrade anymore
Economy class travel
Permanent Equipment locks
No bunks on the -11
No vacation cash out
This isn't a bash post, things have improved a lot here, we literally just got short term, long term disability, and loss of license. We've always had true home basing. Like someone said, the grass is always greener I guess.
03-14-2019, 01:34 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Position: FO
Posts: 3
Originally Posted by Asiabound
You speak some truth, but for example:
No ASAP (supposedly on the way)
No CPLDC (supposedly on the way)
401k match is less at WGN
health insurance is more expensive
You will make more after about 4 or 5 years at Atlas on the 777 or 747
WGN doesn't have a quick upgrade anymore
Economy class travel
Permanent Equipment locks
No bunks on the -11
No vacation cash out
This isn't a bash post, things have improved a lot here, we literally just got short term, long term disability, and loss of license. We've always had true home basing. Like someone said, the grass is always greener I guess.
No ASAP (supposedly on the way)
No CPLDC (supposedly on the way)
401k match is less at WGN
health insurance is more expensive
You will make more after about 4 or 5 years at Atlas on the 777 or 747
WGN doesn't have a quick upgrade anymore
Economy class travel
Permanent Equipment locks
No bunks on the -11
No vacation cash out
This isn't a bash post, things have improved a lot here, we literally just got short term, long term disability, and loss of license. We've always had true home basing. Like someone said, the grass is always greener I guess.
03-18-2019, 04:37 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 666
Quick update for anyone considering Atlas: the union and the company just finished 4 days of negotiating. This was the first negotiating session since May of 2018.
The company has said that they will only commit to 12 more days of negotiating through June. That’s a grand total of 16 days of negotiating for the entire first half of 2019.
As of this most recent negotiating session, the union and the company have reached agreements on 15 out of 35 Articles, almost all of them low-impact (Union representation, grievance procedure, etc).
We are almost 3 years into this process and have barely completed the easiest 1/3rd of the new CBA. If you think that the other 2/3rds are going to be completed anytime soon, I believe that you are sorely mistaken. 12 more negotiating days scheduled for the year does not bode well.
The company has said that they will only commit to 12 more days of negotiating through June. That’s a grand total of 16 days of negotiating for the entire first half of 2019.
As of this most recent negotiating session, the union and the company have reached agreements on 15 out of 35 Articles, almost all of them low-impact (Union representation, grievance procedure, etc).
We are almost 3 years into this process and have barely completed the easiest 1/3rd of the new CBA. If you think that the other 2/3rds are going to be completed anytime soon, I believe that you are sorely mistaken. 12 more negotiating days scheduled for the year does not bode well.
03-23-2019, 07:53 AM
#39
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
Originally Posted by dogo
Stalling at the table insures the boards profit and compensation package.
Also, profits are less than possible, probably, due to potentially turning away and/or losing customers, and outsourcing, due to a lack of pilots.
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