Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 2794855)

I can't think of many people where I am now who would willingly make the trade for "big 3" pay if it meant losing the type of schedules we get. Insinuating that we're all underpaid unless we're following "big 3" or FedEx type rules is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by G550Guy (Post 2794977)

THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:

The following ACP poster “aviatorhi” is either:

1. a troll

2. management figure

3. a highly disgruntled duschbag who didn’t get hired after his FedEx, UPS, United interview.

His comments should be avoided at all costs.


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Originally Posted by filejw (Post 2793006)

Your 100% right the trouble is when you don’t own your own content you lose lots of leverage. The company issuing the contract can just move said contract to someone else and will. Getting good leverage/ pressure on the DHL and Amazon types is the answer. The Delta FedEx contracts aren’t because the corporations are nice guys , if they could get away with paying pilots 50% less they would.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2795291)

That’s the same argument made for decades in the regional industry; yet now they have no problem remaining profitable and paying new pilots $95k first year.....
We’ve been fed lies for so long that it’s now a common belief.

Originally Posted by dogo (Post 2795151)

ABX, Atlas and Sourhern all display poor management. By keeping salaries low.....more bonuses. Good luck filling seats.

Originally Posted by zerozero (Post 2795294)

First year pay is a pretty God d@mn short timeline when you're talking about a career move.

Sure, enjoy your 95K for the first year, only to see "your" flying shifted over to some other group a few years later.

Originally Posted by dogo (Post 2795343)

I’ve flown with recent new hires at ABX. Downright scary. If we could get 50% who could communicate with ATC and not sound like a third world soap opera it wouldn’t be so bad, but..........

Originally Posted by JackStraw (Post 2795356)

Same at atlas... might as well change our callsign to yiant.

Originally Posted by Groundpointfife (Post 2795586)

Aerolineas Atlas?

Originally Posted by FLYMIA (Post 2793244)

Is this honestly what the pay is?! Embellishing or being serious? If it is that's astounding. How do you guys operate at that pay? I'm on a CRJ and make just a tad over $100K and work about half the month. I'm not trying sound facetious at all honestly. If thats really the pay I'm dumbfounded how those aircraft move at all. I'm pretty shocked really. I take it no one, NO ONE, is showing up to class for this. If I were offered a job and they told me that was the pay I think I'd have a good laugh and then say, no really whats the pay? Edited because I also want to add, you gentlemen/Ladies deserve much better. Best of luck.

Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 2794855)

I think you've entirely missed the point that some of us enjoy the tradeoffs of ACMI flying to the point that we don't want to be burdened with the NB hub-hub turns or sitting thru a sort and are willing to horsetrade to keep the lives we have.

I can't think of many people where I am now who would willingly make the trade for "big 3" pay if it meant losing the type of schedules we get. Insinuating that we're all underpaid unless we're following "big 3" or FedEx type rules is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2795298)

Yet they still are training new hires.....same at ABX. For some the grass is always greener.

Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 2795815)

Atlas is not filling classes on the 747, 767 or 737. I'm not sure about the 777...there are VERY few of those airframes operating, so they don't need many crew.

Originally Posted by dogo (Post 2795917)

ABX has 7 idle 767-2. Plenty of spares due to no business. Management touts an amazing on time performance with DHL/Amazon. #ABXweakmanagement.

Originally Posted by EndOfTimes (Post 2795645)

My limited experience with our new hire Hispanic pilots at ABX has been quite different. The ones I have worked with have been pretty damned good. I don’t see any less ability or competency with them than with the young millennial RJ guys we have hired. In fact, one of the older Puerto Rican guys I have flown with could move to the left seat tomorrow and do a fine job, he’s got a solid background.

Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2796070)

Parked airframes? I'm pretty sure Atlas World Holdings / Titan leasing(same company right?) makes money because some one is flying those airplanes. Just like how Atlas always secures long term contracts and finds some one to fly them. If it isn't Atlas pilots, then it's Kalitta doing the Incheon run, if not Kalitta, it's Western Global, etc.

Originally Posted by abxflyr (Post 2795990)

You and I have very different experiences then. Not saying all are bad or anything generic like that. I haven't seen a single new-hire yet that is "left seat tomorrow" ready; even those who are supposed to have time in type or previous command experience. My comments are not essentially Hispanic oriented verses new-hires in general. Of course I haven't flown with everyone either (although most...).

I have tendency to agree with Dogo and Jackstraw more so on this one...

Originally Posted by GeelErmo (Post 2796208)

Are you the ONE holding/(mirroring) flight controls whenever FO flying??

Originally Posted by dogo (Post 2796243)

Trust me not a bad technique with some of the noobs! Ask the Captain who didn’t while landing at MMGL

Originally Posted by JackStraw (Post 2795633)

Siiii.. ehhhrrr royer. Yiant 3223 ehhhrrrr royer.

Originally Posted by wjcandee (Post 2795989)

You probably know better but 7 seems high. There are currently 13 with one of those maybe leaving. Six others were re-leased and exported, and one was WFU and is now a parts donor. Of the 13, six are dry-leased to Amazon plus one operational spare, one military, two currently DHL (probably going to 1), and 2 used on other stuff. So that seems like 12 of the 13. Still, of course, plenty of growth opportunity if the Superfund site of workplace toxicity is ever abated...

Originally Posted by dogo (Post 2796779)

Joe has been effectively been neutered by his board of directors. That is why you have the clown show at ABX. Hete will sit back and retire a very rich man with the reputation of being a one-trick-pony.

Originally Posted by JackStraw (Post 2795633)

Siiii.. ehhhrrr royer. Yiant 3223 ehhhrrrr royer.

Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville (Post 2792648)

If you read into the SEC filing on how the deal is structured, it all but solidifies that Atlas/Southern will remain a contractor for many years to come. The deal is structured where GECAS owns the airplanes and leases them to Amazon. Amazon then leases them to Atlas/Southern where Amazon retains all the flexibility.

This deal really highlights the significant threat of massive layoffs for the pilots of Atlas/Southern down the road when/if Amazon decided to start up their own airline.

Originally Posted by Tango Uniform (Post 2810560)

Sounds awfully familiar. Go back to the early 1980’s. UPS had Orion, Ryan, and Evergreen flying UPS jets. Then one day in 1988 decided to bring it all in house.

Originally Posted by gumpscheck (Post 2797892)

So when do you expect Hete will retire?

Originally Posted by gumpscheck (Post 2810696)

I heard it was more like the FAA told UPS to bring it in-house. I am surprised that AMZ and DHL have been able to get away with the system as it is now. If I was FDX or UPS, I would have raised the BS flag long ago.

Originally Posted by gumpscheck (Post 2810696)

I heard it was more like the FAA told UPS to bring it in-house. I am surprised that AMZ and DHL have been able to get away with the system as it is now. If I was FDX or UPS, I would have raised the BS flag long ago.

Originally Posted by gumpscheck (Post 2810696)

I heard it was more like the FAA told UPS to bring it in-house. I am surprised that AMZ and DHL have been able to get away with the system as it is now. If I was FDX or UPS, I would have raised the BS flag long ago.