If you need flying time, as either FO or PIC, the 737 flies VERY FEW hours, relative to the regionals. That is why Atlas has purchased 737s to fly around the country empty, just for training. It is basically IMPOSSIBLE, to consolidate on the 737, by just flying operational flights.

We ARE underpaid in the ACMI world, vs the "Big 5", but, luckily for us, there is a Pilot Shortage. FedEx, Delta, Endeavor, Atlas, JAL, China Southern, and Emirates, as examples, are ALL are competing for the same pilots. If ANY one of the above is sub-standard in some way, they will have a difficult time finding pilots.

Atlas AAWW (Atlas/Polar/Southern/Titan) wants to expand, and it seems they want to expand A LOT. I believe, if Atlas is to successfully expand A LOT, then they will need an Industry Leading contract. If Atlas wants to expand somewhat, an Industry Standard contract will work. If they keep things as they are, Atlas will shrink. From what we have heard, the last 12 months, Atlas/Southern recruiting new hire numbers have not kept pace with attrition.

Any word on where these 737-800s will fly or just more cvg hub flying?

3 airframes

Rockford Baby !!! All the night flying you can handle. Hurry up and join the fleet. Rockford Today, Rockford Tomorrow-

The first two started TPA-RFD, and RFD-TPA.

See the world!

I’m hearing the first year will be Rockford, rockford and more Rockford. Hub turns from Rockford. CVG is maxed out and not enough room.

I would expect just a couple hundred hours a year for a the first few years. The longer segment stuff will go senior, while the new hires can operate the 737-400 from CVG to STL- that airport hotel is next to the Waffle House is your new home during the day :)

Originally Posted by Tango Uniform View Post
Sounds awfully familiar. Go back to the early 1980’s. UPS had Orion, Ryan, and Evergreen flying UPS jets. Then one day in 1988 decided to bring it all in house.

Wonder if it was to be able to control strike capabilities or route changes amongst its contractors which would interrupt its fairly recent (a few years) next-day guaranteed services. Control seems to be everything no matter how you spread it.

We studied this in aviation law. Fred Smith, the owner of Fdx, was lobbying hard against them from 80-87. Because UPS was using subs exactly as Amazon is doing. Thereby creating an unfair competition. UPS took the IPX certificate and went in house amidst the pressure. Amazon will never fall to this due to their PACs they control. They are pretty much above the laws or own the peeps that make them.

A very astute observation.

I wish others could learn from history.

I don't mean to be demeaning, but it boils down to who pays off the right guys making the decisions (congress/senate).

Think about that in the upcoming elections.

How much justice can you afford?

Little bit of thread drift now, but I'm also quite certain Amazon will never bring this 3 Ring Circus into one tent.

Why? Because if you look at how Amazon acquires companies they do it all in one fell swoop, out of the clear blue sky. No one ever sees it coming.

Best example: They disrupted the entire frickin grocery industry when they picked up Whole Food for $13.7 BILLION.

They could have all of AAWW & ATSG for probably 15% of that. Maybe 20% if they're feeling generous.

But why should they? They're not generous. They're ruthless and cut throat. They make UPS management look like Santa Claus.

:D

Maybe because Amazon has hired UPS Management?

Fred Smith lobbying against UPS for unfair completion, that’s a joke. UPS using contract pilots is similar to what Fed Ex does with ground. Fred *****ed about DHL having partnership with UPS with the IPX certificate since DHL was a foreign company. UPS decided to buy out DHL. So UPS has Fred to thank for the airline. UPS May have still used subs to fly the planes. 4 different airlines flew for UPS then. UPS owned the aircraft. If a Ryan crew timed out, it had to be replaced with a Ryan crew on that aircraft. An Evergreen or Orion crew couldn’t fly that aircraft assigned to Ryan. So to eliminate that pain in the ass, UPS brought the flying in house.