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Old 05-09-2019, 07:42 PM   #11  
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How exactly are we supposed to figure this out? Atlas kicked the pilot group out of the interview process, which was excellent BTW. HR hires the pilots and that begs the question, What do they know about hiring pilots? No logbook review, no sim ride, and judging from recent history - no PRIA review either.
I interviewed with two recently retired Captains and Check Airmen. The technical interview was fairly comprehensive, as was the logbook review, HR portion, and company overview. They asked probing questions and followed-up in a thoughtful way. Several did not receive CJOs. I don't often post. But, this is wrong information.
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I interviewed with two recently retired Captains and Check Airmen. The technical interview was fairly comprehensive, as was the logbook review, HR portion, and company overview. They asked probing questions and followed-up in a thoughtful way. Several did not receive CJOs. I don't often post. But, this is wrong information.
Management stooges does not equal the pilot group. The interests are conflicted. You should stick to lurking.
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Old 05-09-2019, 08:19 PM   #13  
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I interviewed with two recently retired Captains and Check Airmen. The technical interview was fairly comprehensive, as was the logbook review, HR portion, and company overview. They asked probing questions and followed-up in a thoughtful way. Several did not receive CJOs. I don't often post. But, this is wrong information.
In my experience it is correct information, and your interview was wildly different... But to each their own.
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Old 05-10-2019, 07:26 AM   #14  
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Retired Capts and/or current managers...lol...check airmen

...are different than the union pilots we used to have on the hiring board.

It's TRUE, we have a "Hiring Committee" still. But they are no longer invited to sit on the interview board.
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Anyone considering Atlas/Southern had better understand that there is enormous jeopardy that your training will NOT be successful.

Atlas/Southern rely on self study methods, so the burden is entirely on the candidate to pass or at least self-identify their own training deficiencies... You don't know what you don't know, making this nearly impossible absent constant evaluation by a qualified instructor or substantial experience to draw upon as you progress.

The bigger message needs to be that Atlas does not have an AQP program and still relies on 1950ís style training which relies upon and demands that a candidate have a high level of proficiency in type or an equivalent aircraft.

The staggering increase in Busts and no recommends and even terminations of incoming new-hires is revealing the inadequacy of the training program.

It's not that the instructors or new-hires aren't trying, it's that the system currently in use is a set-up for failure for those lacking 5,000+ hours of 121 international wide-body experience.

Luck simply will not cut it, experience is the surest pathway forward for anyone taking on this type of training scenario.
I donít know that AQP is the biggest issue. Many today do shy away from any program that is rigid and extremely demanding expecting to be coddled and thatís a good thing for Atlas. Weeding out those who shouldnít be there before spending time and money on them is better for the company, and it encourages potential applicants to avoid setting themselves for a failure that will follow them. The biggest problem that a company like Atlas faces is the compensation and the type of flying that they do. Flying 747ís to places that most people have never heard on a 17 day stretch with all kinds of explosives and other hazmat downstairs isnít an entry level position. Anyone who applies to a company like this should be fully confident that they can handle whatever is thrown at them. Atlas is going to have to face the compensation issue. Paying entry level wages for a job that is far more demanding than what anyone at United or Delta ever face isnít going to attract pilots who are able to perform. My guess is that one of the consequences of the 767 crash is that the FAA will be closely monitoring the training department and the standards will only be tightened. I donít know that Atlas will ever be paid like UPS, but not getting close to the mark is just going to maintain the current problems. This isnít right after 9/11. Highly qualified pilots arenít on the street and desperate to feed their families.
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There is an answer.
Put pilots back in hiring!
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Old 05-10-2019, 06:35 PM   #17  
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Put pilots back in hiring!
How about raise the hiring standards where new hires aren't struggling and busting out of training?
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It was the same way at World back in the day. The ACMI’s don’t have the budget for AQP and spoon-fed “Train to Profiency.” Let alone 50-hr OE’s.

Instead it’s “Here’s a box of books.” Learn them all (“What’s a Learning Objective?”) See you on your checkride in a month. Good luck.

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Atlas doesn’t do logbook reviews...that post was likely faked. Nice try. High fail rates are here. Multiple per class now is routine, some not even being recommended for the Checkride.
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Atlas doesnít do logbook reviews...that post was likely faked. Nice try. High fail rates are here. Multiple per class now is routine, some not even being recommended for the Checkride.
They did when I interviewed in 2012....
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