High Failure Rates - Atlas / Southern
05-16-2019, 04:09 PM
#111
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Originally Posted by zerozero
False.
First of all, the part that IS required is Class II Nav on OE. That just usually happens to be an ocean. Any ocean.
Secondly, in the years before this rapid expansion at Atlas, NO ONE would be signed off OE unless they specifically logged a NAT crossing--even though it is not specifically required.
Unfortunately that became too inconvenient for the managers--the "policy" started to delay OE for some--so they just settled on any ocean crossing. LAX- NRT; ANC-ICN; HNL-SYD; they're all the same to a manager as the NAT.
And look where that got us.
First of all, the part that IS required is Class II Nav on OE. That just usually happens to be an ocean. Any ocean.
Secondly, in the years before this rapid expansion at Atlas, NO ONE would be signed off OE unless they specifically logged a NAT crossing--even though it is not specifically required.
Unfortunately that became too inconvenient for the managers--the "policy" started to delay OE for some--so they just settled on any ocean crossing. LAX- NRT; ANC-ICN; HNL-SYD; they're all the same to a manager as the NAT.
And look where that got us.
05-17-2019, 12:57 AM
#113
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No North Atlantic oceanic experience / training prior to being released from IOE at Atlas ? Are you kidding ? Does anyone in management and or training understand risk management / common sense / acquired wisdom ??? While Boeing criticizes “ foreign pilots “ , perhaps it’s time for an introspective look at the way the FAA approves / monitors / certifies N reg operators flying overseas ? Unbelievable.
05-17-2019, 01:04 PM
#115
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
At K4, everyone gets at least one NAT crossing, usually more on IOE.
(He talked the whole way across, too. I looked forward to checking in on HF, just to get a few minutes break
05-21-2019, 07:00 PM
#116
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I was reported to me today that the Southern new hire failure rate is at approximately 60%. I knew it was high but not that high. I am still trying to find out the time frame used to measure this failure rate.
I have heard the Atlas failure rate is at 30% as reported to me in the past few weeks. Also shockingly high.
Are there any instructors on here that can confirm if these reports are true?
I have heard the Atlas failure rate is at 30% as reported to me in the past few weeks. Also shockingly high.
Are there any instructors on here that can confirm if these reports are true?
05-21-2019, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
I was reported to me today that the Southern new hire failure rate is at approximately 60%. I knew it was high but not that high. I am still trying to find out the time frame used to measure this failure rate.
I have heard the Atlas failure rate is at 30% as reported to me in the past few weeks. Also shockingly high.
Are there any instructors on here that can confirm if these reports are true?
I have heard the Atlas failure rate is at 30% as reported to me in the past few weeks. Also shockingly high.
Are there any instructors on here that can confirm if these reports are true?
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