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Old 07-15-2019, 09:49 PM   #121  
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Just got the job offer for atlas , 2100 TT all
Jet military
1850 PIC 1200 MEL F-18
700 instructor
Cool but why not Fedex?
Or UPS
Or American, or Delta... United, Alaska, Southwest, Allegiant, Omni, Kalitta, ATI, Hawaiian, NAC, Spirit, JetBlue, Frontier, most Regionals...

All of them get pay more than Atlas and they get to vote on contracts. Maybe you haven't accepted the offer and you still have a chance.
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Old 07-15-2019, 11:21 PM   #122  
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Just got the job offer for atlas , 2100 TT all
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1850 PIC 1200 MEL F-18
700 instructor
Congrats on the offer. Will you be in the 74 or 76 class?
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Old 07-15-2019, 11:38 PM   #123  
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Atlas cannot "keep you out past 17 days". Under certain, limited conditions, they can extend you to "protect the operation." For most Atlas pilots, on a typical line, with a typical schedule, they cannot be extended unless they volunteer to work on their days off...
I agree with what you're saying 100%, BUT... I do think that when they really do get short you could see them trying to extend people with threats. I think that they would violate status quo to put a band aid on things to get through peak. Then they could stop before the courts would rule they were violating status quo. Many would be forced to do what was being demanded by management as opposed to explaining some sort of disciplinary action in a potential Spring interview.

I'm not saying 100% that does happen but don't be shocked if it does at some point. They're going to react to the situation in a manner that fixes the problem temporarily for them. That I'm sure of...
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Old 07-15-2019, 11:47 PM   #124  
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Cool but why not Fedex?
Or UPS
Or American, or Delta... United, Alaska, Southwest, Allegiant, Omni, Kalitta, ATI, Hawaiian, NAC, Spirit, JetBlue, Frontier, most Regionals...

All of them get pay more than Atlas and they get to vote on contracts. Maybe you haven't accepted the offer and you still have a chance.
Probably because he needs a job... Any job. My guess is that he finishes training, puts a 747 type on his resume and is gone in 6 months. He obviously checks every box for the big companies.

I'd go to OBAP if I were him. That'd get him a call.... Then add the type if you don't get a call... I'd definitely hold off on a class date until after OBAP if I were him though... Atlas is stupid to hire him. He won't be there in a year if he wants another job.
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Old 07-16-2019, 02:56 AM   #125  
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For starters:

- stop with the “if you’re not with us you’re against us attitude” that seems to be so prevalent.
- stop trying to crucify and silence people that are critical of the union.
They’re critical for good reason.
- stop with the bombastic overly adversarial dramatic emails and just stick to fact in communications.
- stop with that ATAM nonsense

We all pay union dues and stop trying to make me feel it’s “protection money”.
If I read this correctly it seems like you're really driving at two points. We're bombastic propagandists, and we'll actively try to silence dissenting opinions.

We're trying to align our membership and get us working toward some common goals. The problem is the vast majority of folks don't want to sit down and read a nuanced discussion about the quality of line-checks, history of negotiations, corporate culture, human factors behind a decades-old crash of a Hawker Trident, etc. People rally to clearly defined causes. So trying to rally people to a given cause can over-simplify issues and even alienate some folks. This doesn't mean the union thinks of you or anyone else as an adversary. Far from it. We need all the involvement and perspective we can get.

I agree that silencing criticism is bad. Criticism is welcome. If the criticism is off base, we look better having weathered it. If the criticism is accurate, we are stronger for the awareness and correction.

Does this mean the voices telling you to be quiet will stop? No. Just like we can't and shouldn't silence you, we can't and shouldn't silence individuals who speak for themselves, regardless of ideas. What we can say is that we, as a union, want to hear from you. You are not an entity apart from the union. Keep speaking up! When you do so, it's a lot easier for us to listen to and address specific issues. If you just say "You suck!", we can't really get a correction or any data from that.

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Old 07-16-2019, 04:54 AM   #126  
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Ok then, explain HOW you would do things better to accomplish the same goal.
Iíll give you a hint, not the way itís done now.
I canít post that here, even if Iím right....remember?
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Old 07-16-2019, 05:46 AM   #127  
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Iíll give you a hint, not the way itís done now.
I canít post that here, even if Iím right....remember?
This is a good example of the issue I take with your actions. It is fairly easy to come onto a web board and criticize actions taken by others. You have every right legally to do that. There is also a responsibility that a mature individual will accept when exercising that right. Provide an alternative means to reach the objective that is better than the one you are critical of. Of course by doing that you are exposing yourself to criticism by others. Something a lot of people donít want to do.

Your post above does nothing but make it look like you are pouting and that I hurt your feelings.
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Old 07-16-2019, 12:52 PM   #128  
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Cool but why not Fedex?
Or UPS
Or American, or Delta... United, Alaska, Southwest, Allegiant, Omni, Kalitta, ATI, Hawaiian, NAC, Spirit, JetBlue, Frontier, most Regionals...

All of them get pay more than Atlas and they get to vote on contracts. Maybe you haven't accepted the offer and you still have a chance.
Congtrats ! Hurry on over- we need guys to Sit R3 at the hub from 3am-9am.

Say hello to Rhonda for me- she knows how to make a great pork sasauge.
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Old 07-16-2019, 01:57 PM   #129  
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Just got the job offer for atlas , 2100 TT all
Jet military
1850 PIC 1200 MEL F-18
700 instructor
How proud you must be.
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Old 07-16-2019, 03:43 PM   #130  
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Just got the job offer for atlas , 2100 TT all
Jet military
1850 PIC 1200 MEL F-18
700 instructor
Makes sense why the guy I know isn't getting anything.

Congrats!
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