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Old 09-01-2019, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lockheed View Post
You may be right but I'm not sure they are related

Increased screening is independent of clothing

I think?
Yea perhaps it's something along the lines of "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Although the TSA fought ALPA every step of the way to get KCM going (ALPA had to get Congress involved not once but twice), so I went for malice first.
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:13 PM
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ASAC has these folks involved that went to DC work on this latest TSA KCM rules. Team effort, not solo.
https://www.tsa.gov/for-industry/avi...mittee-members

Labor Organizations Representing Air Carrier Employees

Bill Cason, Coalition of Airline Pilots Association
Joe DePete, Air Line Pilots Association
Justin Madden, Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association
Chris Witkowski, Association of Flight Attendants - CWA

Cason is an IPA pilot been long involved in these gains for the industry going back to beginning. CAPA is APA, Teamsters 1224, Teamsters 357 and IPA.


Thanks ALPA, CAPA, IPA, Teamsters, APA, Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, Association of Flight Attendants - CWA
They all fought this past week for all of us. Team efforts are best but I get it.
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Old 09-02-2019, 06:40 AM
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Old 09-02-2019, 06:47 AM
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Maybe they could work on modernizing the RLA now...


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Old 09-02-2019, 07:49 AM
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Exactly one week after going thru KCM in street clothes unscathed, I attempted to repeat that today in MEM. Standard card scan, 2nd form of ID check and he waits for the system to finish doing its thing for 10 seconds. “You’re good.......
Pleasantly surprised I start to put away my ID when he finishes his sentence:
........but we’re sending non-uniformed KCM through TSA pre-check...new policy”
Turns to another TSA genius and yells over the heads of everyone in line to verify that’s what they’re doing now..... confirmed by random colleague.
I say, I should have just gone to pre-check in the first place than waste my time and yours doing this.
TSA pre-check, beep on first attempt
Now “randomly” selected to go thru the back-scatter full body zapper. Leave my belt on since I’m out of practice which earns me a 360 waist check along the inside of my pants.

“Have a nice day”. GFY would have worked nicely but I kept it inside.
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SWAPA informed it’s members that DHS/TSA wants to can the entire KCM program, so the uniformed-only option was the compromise. After blowback, TSA temporarily suspended implementation of this compromise solution. They did not $hitcan it, just suspended implementation.

I predict we will see this come to fruition in the not-to-distant future. 🤯
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Old 09-02-2019, 06:02 PM
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What's actually scary is the fact that TSA lets TSA employees through, with bags, in civilian clothes, by just looking at their badge.
No biometrics, nothing.
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog View Post
ASAC has these folks involved that went to DC work on this latest TSA KCM rules. Team effort, not solo.
https://www.tsa.gov/for-industry/avi...mittee-members

Labor Organizations Representing Air Carrier Employees

Bill Cason, Coalition of Airline Pilots Association
Joe DePete, Air Line Pilots Association
Justin Madden, Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association
Chris Witkowski, Association of Flight Attendants - CWA

Cason is an IPA pilot been long involved in these gains for the industry going back to beginning. CAPA is APA, Teamsters 1224, Teamsters 357 and IPA.


Thanks ALPA, CAPA, IPA, Teamsters, APA, Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, Association of Flight Attendants - CWA
They all fought this past week for all of us. Team efforts are best but I get it.
Thank you for clarifying the fact that this was an industry wide effort.

I'm all for supporting my union, but the bashing of other unions is so short sighted, it is pathetic.

Someday, union bashing pilots will realize that the enemy is not the other unions, but the management groups of the airlines.

I have to admit that I didn't learn this until I was furloughed from an airline that was at direct odds with an airline represented by another union. There was bad blood between those two groups but that animosity was grossly misplaced. It was the airline management groups that should have been the object of our anger.

After I managed to get hired at airline #3 for my career, I found myself flying with some of those pilots who had been our "arch enemy's" just a year before. Turns out that they were just like me: great guys who were working stiffs just trying to make it to the end of an airline career fraught with trials and troubles.

Unions, all of them, are the networks that hold our employee groups together. Unions are us.
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
What's actually scary is the fact that TSA lets TSA employees through, with bags, in civilian clothes, by just looking at their badge.
No biometrics, nothing.
Infuriating, isn't it?!
How this is never addressed AND allowed to continue is beyond me.
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
What's actually scary is the fact that TSA lets TSA employees through, with bags, in civilian clothes, by just looking at their badge.
No biometrics, nothing.
Seriously? For commercial flight's or going to work? What's your source?
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