Mayday,

Not exactly. NWA has FROZEN their pension and pilots are currently working under a terrible contract. They are getting a whopping 5% B fund. Most pilots expect their pension will not be there when they retire.

Read the part about the Group A carriers. The people that contribute 80% of ALPA's revenue voted 64% against the change.

NWA voted more than 70% against the change (just like we did at FDX). At least they don't have a hero like DW who chooses to do the "right thing" and protects us from ourselves. Even NWA management agrees with them (not that I am giving those guys any credit).

I find it repulsive that even though our membership supposedly voted 70% against changing the rule, our leadership decides to go their own way.

I also cancelled my ALPA-PAC payments.

How ironic, on the back of the business reply mail envelop, which arrived with this years ALPA-PAC Congressional listing, is the phrase:

"Every day someone in Washington comes up with a bureaucratic scheme that could cost you money, threaten your lifestyle, diminish your professional standards."

Isn't ALPA National headquarters in Washington DC?

For those reading this at home and are wide awake, skip to the bottom paragraph.

For those who are at the end of a week of night hub turns, just waking up and wondering what hotel/city am I in this morning...read on:

"some one in Washington" = ALPA National
"bureaucratic scheme" = change to Age 60 policy w/o a vote of membership via established ALPA procedures

Well you get the picture by now and can fill in the rest of the blanks....

"cost you money" =
"threaten your lifestyle" =
"diminish your professional standards" =


Make your voices heard, don't vote with your feet, remain a union member. But make an impact the good old fashioned American way, vote with $$$$$. Revoke your ALPA-PAC checkoff today!!!

How would one revoke PAC checkoff?:mad:

Obviously not to those 150 or so guys over 60 who are active pilots on our seniority list and in the union. Non-members can get screwed.

You know the old saying, "build a thousand bridges and no one calls you Albie the bridge builder, but suck one..." Well, in the last week, a lot of c****uckers have shown up, including generous old Albie.

I'll tell you what sir. Those 150 guys coming back would slow down my career to the tune of about $30,000 (a wild ass guess.) You cut me a check for $15,000 and I'll be more than happy to be as generous to them as you are. It's all whose ox is getting gored, as Albie and me are finding out.\


edit: I take back the sir. Don't call Albie that name. You gonna earn some enemies here.

Huck.......a few questions if you please

1. How long have you been here (FDX)?
2. Is FDX your first Major Airline Job?
3. Would you agree that seniority is foundation of our system?

The same form (ALPA-PAC Checkoff Authorization Card) used for authorizing ALPA-PAC checkoff deductions can be used to revoke your checkoff. At least it has a line to "Terminate Deductions of $__________Per Month".

I suggest a follow up letter to crew pay indicating same. Be sure to use original signatures on all start/stop authorizations, e-mails and faxes may not work.

How to find a copy of the ALPA-PAC Checkoff Authorization Card? Try this direct link:

https://crewroom.alpa.org/Default.aspx?tabid=785

Or use the long method:

Log onto ALPA.org
Legislation $ Politics - left side of screen [click]
ALPA-PAC - left side of screen [click]
Sign up for Checkoff - top of page [click]
Print page

Didn't see a search function on the main ALPA page, just did a quick scan and may have just missed it.

Come on Redeye ... none of those questions have ANY bearing on the fact that the junior guys get screwed for each and every single guy that decides to stay past 60. Who cares how long he's been here or if this is his first airline job? Either his argument "holds water" or it doesn't. Any discussion to the contrary is driven by old guys possibly under the influence of Alzheimer’s disease.


Mark

If I understand it, your premise is, if the new rules are written so that it is at all legally possible for a current over 60 to return to a window seat (which even DW thinks is a remote possiility,) screw him, he's old so keep him out of the front seat.

So, how do you feel about the guys who hit 60 at the other carriers with no back seat? Do you support their right to reclaim their jobs and seniority? How about our over 60s who wanted to keep flying but were presented with the choice of having a bigger retirement check than they could make as an S/O and hence, for economic reasons, retired?
If retroctivety is approved, I don't think it's a stretch to throw these guys in the mix. The feds have publicly stated that these guys and the over 60 S/Os will not go back, why not fight for all of them?