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Gunter 05-10-2007 05:14 AM

Since we can't do a recall...

If you haven't done the phone survey yet-


Don't give ALPA the go ahead to support over 60. If it is true ALPA will have less of a say in the legislation, it is a good thing. But I don't really believe that assumption is correct.

Congress does not want retroactivity and we should limit those that want it (DW) as much as we can. Don't enable them.

FreightDawgyDog 05-10-2007 05:34 AM

"Hey Freightdog. I quit wearing my lanyard when our alpa quit representing me"

I can't blame you at all. The thing is if you are not wearing a lanyard you could be mistaken as a nonmember. If you wear it backwards you send a message that your MEC has refused to hear your view because they know it will not be their own and you have a chance to spread the word when someone asks why you have it on backward. I say everyone who can show up to the meeting with Capt Prather with backward lanyards and pelting him with questions about why our MEC refuses to hear form the majority of it's members on issues like retroactivity for those over 60 when the change happens. Looks like our MEC thinks the "Taking it Back Tour" means taking back our democratic rights as dues paying union members to have a say on issues concerning our careers. Let's ask Capt Prather what he thinks. Again, just a thought...

FDX28 05-10-2007 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by FreightDawgyDog (Post 163315)
I say everyone who can show up to the meeting with Capt Prather with backward lanyards and pelting him with questions about why our MEC refuses to hear form the majority of it's members on issues like retroactivity for those over 60 when the change happens. Looks like our MEC thinks the "Taking it Back Tour" means taking back our democratic rights as dues paying union members to have a say on issues concerning our careers. Let's ask Capt Prather what he thinks.

No, no, no... you got it all wrong. They didn't mean to say "Taking it Back Tour," they meant to say "Taking it in the Back(side) Tour." :D

GOFRTRS 05-10-2007 06:04 AM

FDXLAG, read Albief 15's post #3 on this thread, para #8. He's clearly calling for "more for me now" based on the tentative/upcoming age 60 change. Like I said, we can all look foward to our "windfall" between 60 & 65 & not feel like I deserve more now because of something none of us can stop....

Gunter 05-10-2007 06:17 AM

Hot subject.


Everyone unhappy or with questions should e-mail their MEC Rep and ask them if they support retroactivity or not.

Bonus question--Ask your MEC how the MEC Chairman decided on his own, without a poll or other membership guidance, to fight for retroactivity.

XUSair 05-10-2007 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 163275)
Albie can defend himself but I believe he was talking about everyone getting the same size slice of pie. The last contract was nice but there were some extra goodies if you happened to be of a certain age. And now the reason for those extra goodies has magically vanished. In the future perhaps it will be best if we just negotiate our contracts to benefit all equally.

How many millions spent on retiree heath care? Yet new hires still are paid the same $2000 they were a decade ago. When our union starts protecting our young instead of eating them we will all benefit. We have seniority based representation here. Stay involved, contact your reps and pressure them to represent the majoritys view in your block. That is the way it needs to work for our union to survive with unity, and that benefits us all.

FDXLAG 05-10-2007 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by XUSair (Post 163347)
How many millions spent on retiree heath care? Yet new hires still are paid the same $2000 they were a decade ago. When our union starts protecting our young instead of eating them we will all benefit. We have seniority based representation here. Stay involved, contact your reps and pressure them to represent the majoritys view in your block. That is the way it needs to work for our union to survive with unity, and that benefits us all.

Hey I agree 100%, but we are in the minority here check out this thread: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=9950 Start on the 4th page

FDXLAG 05-10-2007 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by GOFRTRS (Post 163326)
FDXLAG, read Albief 15's post #3 on this thread, para #8. He's clearly calling for "more for me now" based on the tentative/upcoming age 60 change. Like I said, we can all look foward to our "windfall" between 60 & 65 & not feel like I deserve more now because of something none of us can stop....

Slightly out of context since para 1 through 7 talked about how much the last contract gave to the over 50 crowd because they had to retire at 60.

fecav8r 05-10-2007 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by GOFRTRS (Post 163326)
FDXLAG, read Albief 15's post #3 on this thread, para #8. He's clearly calling for "more for me now" based on the tentative/upcoming age 60 change. Like I said, we can all look foward to our "windfall" between 60 & 65 & not feel like I deserve more now because of something none of us can stop....

See, there's where you don't understand. The only windfall I want from 60 to 65 is taking money out of 130Jdriver's wallet on the golf course. You keep acting like we all benefit from this. The only way the majority of us benefit is if we are forced to work past the age that I want to. I understand the whole "I'm healthy and want to keep working" thing and actually am sympathetic about the loss of pensions. But please don't p1ss in that river of understanding by saying we will reap those benefits as well. I don't want that raping, I mean reaping....

130JDrvr 05-10-2007 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by fecav8r (Post 163660)
See, there's where you don't understand. The only windfall I want from 60 to 65 is taking money out of 130Jdriver's wallet on the golf course. You keep acting like we all benefit from this. The only way the majority of us benefit is if we are forced to work past the age that I want to. I understand the whole "I'm healthy and want to keep working" thing and actually am sympathetic about the loss of pensions. But please don't p1ss in that river of understanding by saying we will reap those benefits as well. I don't want that raping, I mean reaping....

I'll donate to the mgmt cause if i get my 18 strokes! :)

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