The same way you can be a member of the NRA and be a democrat.

The same way you can be against legalizing heroin and be a libertarian.

Not everyone lets a single political party define all of their views.

ALPA was against this rule until they decided to be for it (sound like any democrats we know) and now they are against again. Were those guys in the 60's and 70's good union members? It would be sad to define your life only by a union label but sadder if you define your union label with only one issue.

Dear lord, I'm just beginning an airline career and I would like you to force everybody to retire on their 60th birthday, however, one month before mine, I would like you to cause a change in the regs to 65 so I can stay. Thank you, Amen....your pal.. George. (p.s., I'll be needing some more help when I'm 64 years and 11 months)

Amen!!!!! One issue shouldn't define anyone...

Besides, If your old enough you might remember when ALPA fought like crazy to keep FEDEX from getting 727's but then we aren't supposed to bring that up are we. like 1978!!! (remember the no big airplanes for FEDEX campaign)

Protecting seniority rights?

The current age 60 S/O's have no seniority rights, other than to the back seat.

Mr Webb is advocating giving them new rights! Not protecting their rights.

Let your reps know what you think!

I would hope you also can point out where the contract says that. The fact that you choose to ignore is that every over age S/O has the same seniority rights as you, or any other under age 60 FedEx pilot. The exception is that most of these S/Os(soon to be Captain again) happen to be senior to you.;)

George, you ignorant slut!!

Why then don't they exercise those rights?

For the same reason you won't be allowed to after the rules are changed, unless you are given new rights.

By the way, less than 40 of the retreads are senior to me. That's not counting you. Yet!

Hey...Don't you stand to lose about 500 numbers when you start having to use your Flt. Engr. seniority number?

They don't exercise those rights because the "Regulated Age is 60", the "Regulated Age" will soon be 65 and then there is no longer any restriction.

MEC Chairman, Captain Dave Webb, will be convening an ALPA meeting at the MEM AOC Tuesday night/Wednesday morning hub turn, May 8th beginning at 12:30 a.m.

He will be joined by members of the MEC. The major agenda item will be Age 60. Please make plans to attend.

From the message line. I guess enough people called....:)

I propose an LOA to the contract and let the majority of the membership rule. I'm sick of ALPAs senior driven policies. At my last airline, I had furlough protection until the MEC feed me to the wolfs to protect senior pay. What did retiree health care cost us in this contract? Just throw a bone to the bottom dues paying members. The good of the few outweigh the good of the many in our union. It is past time for the majority to take control of our union. Call your reps, get involved, and "Lets take it back".

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No kidding?

You're leaving out that it will be the "regulated age" for those under the age of 60 at the date of implementaion, or whatever the effective date will be called.

It's not a contractual limitation. It's a regulatory limitation. It really has nothing to do with the contract, or protecting anyone's seniority rights.

So what are you going to say when your senior? B!tch about what a good deal the junior guys have?

I have no issues with what we did with retiree health care. We'll all benefit from that in the future.

Past...

As you work until 65,we'll see how much.

Looks like the Senators that wrote the Bill don't see it that way. In any case it is now part of the FAA Reauthorization Bill. The FAA runs out of funds on September 30, 2007 if not passed.


http://www.age60rule.com/docs/2007%2...o%20Blakey.pdf

That is nothing that another continuing resolution won't solve.

Putz.

Not to pi$$ you off too much, but our representative system at fdx, which by the way was changed at ALPA level when we remerged is seniority based; so I ask where are the bottom half of the block reps in this equation. If in fact you have a ***** it's with them and until they explain their position:eek:

Age 60 and early retirement
 

Maybe this has been suggested somewhere in the last 200+ posts (can't be bothered to go threw them all :rolleyes: ) What will happen to the early out provisions?? will they move forward 5 years, and if so when? If the retirement age ups to 65 and overnight so does the early retirement penalty than you won't have to worry about Foxhunter or anyone else (in the near term) hanging on for 5 years. Unless FedEx allows normal retirement for all that want to at 60, I think its only fair that if the retirement age increases and if the early retirement penalties increases correspondingly, than they should do so at the same time with no graduated provisions. ;)
If the union leadership is listening, please don't attempt to negotiate any graduated provisions for early retirement. If the company can and will increase the age penalties will apply to an early out, they should do so without prejudice. If anyone wants to get out between 60+ to 65 they should take the same hit we all will.

Don, according to the MEC and the NC age 60 remains the normal retirement age. They both said that could only change with a new contract.

Also got an "amplifying" email from the LEC with a promise of another letter addressing "retroactivity."

Q1. Has our MEC ever disagreed with whatever agenda Dave Webb happens to be persuing at the moment? ( remember how Mike Aiken quit as FPA president because he was unhappy with the MEC not rubberstamping his decisions)
Q2. Is there any coincidence that Dave was re-elected unopposed to a new 2-year term starting 1 June 07, and then announcing that he wants to try to influence Ms Blakey to change the stated policy that the S/Os cannot bid back to the left seat?
Q3. Is foxhunter an alien from the planet "Geriatric", who happens to be 614 years old and was send here to cripple the American aviation industry?

"you won't have to worry about Foxhunter "


My only worry about George is that he MIGHT be pouring my coffee for me. However, in light of the acrimony that's building, he might be wise (obviously, if he hasn't managed his finances well enough that he's dreaming about a resurrection back to the front seat till 65, he isn't) to forego the backseat and take a job somewhere else where he hasn't wee weed in the punch bowl.

If you're determined to believe that the ATA is willing to pay for your, and many others' training, to come back to the front seat so that you can call in sick. Well, you really are sick. Maybe those silly little blue pills from VCP, taken in large quantities, also produce hallucinogenic effects on some elderly subjects.

Your comments show who is really sick! I suggest professional help ASAP.:(

59.8 year olds ranting
 

Have my dollar ready when I see you in 3 strips...... When to you go October?

this from FDX ALPA...

The majority of other member ICAO countries have much more stringent flight physicals than we do, and there is a risk that our FAA may adopt similar measures. There is also concern that if the regulated age is changed to 65, there may be tax issues related to those carriers with defined benefit plans. Additionally, we must also ensure that wording in “age change” legislation clearly spells out that already retired pilots have no right to return to their previous seats with their previous seniority numbers.

Make him wear 2 stripes! He won't be a pilot anymore! LMAO!


Mark

I don't like that word retired in that paragraph.

The real issue with age 65
 

I still think the raising of the early retirement is the biggest negative that is (potentially) brewing. What a wind fall for FedEx and the industry!! :mad: The young (junior) guys have thier own issues, we all senior, junior, over and under 60, stand to lose big if we have to work to 65 to collect our rightfully earned benefits. :confused: :mad:

You can work till 65 but I don't plan. I'll let you move up a number early! ;)

Past...

Anyone go to the meeting today in the hub? Care to give us a report?

Gotta wait a few more hours...the meeting starts at midnight:30.

Webb's letter is addressing the retroactivity as related to the over 60 guys still on property. My question is what about the guys that FedEx has allowed to go on "leave of absence" since turning 60? There are a number of these guys still on the Master Seniority list, and individual seat seniority lists, including DC! Why is he still #2 on the MD-11 CAP list?:(

SECTION 22
SENIORITY

SECTION 13
LEAVES OF ABSENCE

Where in the AOC are these meetings held?

Normally the TV Room

Depends on the size of the crowd ... usually the TV room or the pool room.


Mark

There was one just starting when I was getting on bus #2 this afternoon, too.

Fellow pilots..

I am a long ways away from MEM tonight. In fact, it is day where I am. Can someone please ask the following of Capt Webb and our MEC?

Have you had any personal conversations with those about to turn 60 or those already 60 where you gave personal assurances the MEC would fight to bring them back prior to your 5/4 message? If so, on whose authority?

If the MEC goes through with this what is the next step? Will you fight for displacements to get those over 60 back into the front seat if there is no bid for them to bid on? If not, what assurances can you give us this will be the case?

What about VEBA now that no one who stays needs it? Will that be recalculated?

This is the second major issue where you have said the MEC knows better than the membership about what is right and you will not give them a say. Can we expect this troubling trend to continue?

Will the extra money for benefits given to those over 54 in our contract be recalculated if they chose to stay past 60 or will that just be another huge boon to their pockets like the change itself will be?

Why do we need to change our position on Age 60 to be in the majority while we will be in a clear minority if we fight for retroactivity?

The NWA MEC is against retroactivity for their F/E's over 60. They have a much greater financial reason than our over 60's as the FDX soon to be retirees have the best retirement in the industry. Why are we fighting when they are not?

I know it's a lot but someone please try and get these issues out in the open. Keep writing no matter what is said tonight!!

FreightDawgyDog-
Just copied your post to an e-mail that I sent to LEC 22. Hope you do not mind, they are my sentiments exactly....
V/R
Los1