Originally Posted by wjcandee (Post 3023930)

ATSG (CAM) made a deal with Jetran a year or so ago to have the right to buy essentially all of the future-retiring AA 767-300s. ATSG has been methodically acquiring them within a few months of AA flying each to the desert, and supplementing the volume going through conversion with onesies-twosies from other carriers, like ANA Cargo and LATAM. CAM currently has seven 767-300s in TLV in various stages of completion, with an ex-LATAM tail going over in a couple of days. There are four AA aircraft now in the desert, three of which CAM already has purchased. There will likely be a substantial wave of AA 767 retirements coming in the next month or so; those will likely sit while CAM works its way through the conversion process, given the finite capacity of IAI/Bedek, which has been the exclusive conversion house for ATSG and CAM. Last I looked, AA had 15 767-300s still in their fleet, although that's a very fluid situation right now. Once AA retires them, they're CAM's to take if it wants them. It didn't cost CAM too much for the option to buy, and so what it does is actually buy and pay for and reregister them within a couple of months prior to sending them to TLV.

Some of the conversions will certainly be going to Amazon, although there is also demand from other potential dry-lessees. So far, ABX hasn't flown any 767-300s for Amazon. There was some talk that, following the walkout, they wouldn't be getting any more Amazon planes to fly, but the reality is that they're already essentially flying more routes than can be covered with the six Amazon-leased 767-200s. If the company ever ends up with labor peace, which seems like it would be difficult but in no way impossible if the company decided to bury the hatchet, I don't see any reason why more Amazon frames couldn't be flown by ABX. They do a good job.

DHL, on the other hand, is treating ABX the way a drunk, ****ed-off girlfriend would, making a show of snogging with some of the nastiest, smelliest carriers from the wrong side of the airport rather than giving more routes to ABX.

Originally Posted by wjcandee (Post 3023930)

ATSG (CAM) made a deal with Jetran a year or so ago to have the right to buy essentially all of the future-retiring AA 767-300s. ATSG has been methodically acquiring them within a few months of AA flying each to the desert, and supplementing the volume going through conversion with onesies-twosies from other carriers, like ANA Cargo and LATAM. CAM currently has seven 767-300s in TLV in various stages of completion, with an ex-LATAM tail going over in a couple of days. There are four AA aircraft now in the desert, three of which CAM already has purchased. There will likely be a substantial wave of AA 767 retirements coming in the next month or so; those will likely sit while CAM works its way through the conversion process, given the finite capacity of IAI/Bedek, which has been the exclusive conversion house for ATSG and CAM. Last I looked, AA had 15 767-300s still in their fleet, although that's a very fluid situation right now. Once AA retires them, they're CAM's to take if it wants them. It didn't cost CAM too much for the option to buy, and so what it does is actually buy and pay for and reregister them within a couple of months prior to sending them to TLV.



DHL, on the other hand, is treating ABX the way a drunk, ****ed-off girlfriend would, making a show of snogging with some of the nastiest, smelliest carriers from the wrong side of the airport rather than giving more routes to ABX.

Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3024455)

I don't really believe it has anything to do with ABX vs Kalita getting the flying now. Connie cut a deal which plays right into DHL's whipsawing. It was all aircraft going to Atlas before K4. It will be the next carrier's turn after Kalita. (except ATI due to scope).

Originally Posted by wjcandee (Post 3024704)

I wasn't referring to Kalitta, FWIW. There's a smellier carrier in there now. You do make a good point.

Originally Posted by Lockheed (Post 3024865)

ge thanks
I guess the highest compensated group on the ramp by far is no longer the smelliest, good to know

Originally Posted by wjcandee (Post 3024704)

I wasn't referring to Kalitta, FWIW. There's a smellier carrier in there now. You do make a good point.

Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3025587)

I wasn't referring to K4 necessarily either.....just a case in point. It was Astar before ABX ( although at the time of purchase ABX lost 50% of its cities to Astar that ABX had been flying to for 30 yrs) then ABX lost cites to Atlas...now Kalita is getting those same cites. The next carrier that cuts a deal will be getting then from Kalita.. it's how whipsawing works.

Originally Posted by goinaround (Post 3025661)

Does DHL pay different carriers different rates?

Originally Posted by wjcandee (Post 3051215)

Well, looks like after years of screwing ABX over and giving the routes they were flying away to other carriers (including Canadians, sheesh! :)), DHL has finally thrown ABX a bone. Let's hope it's one of many.