Amazon looks to build disruptive cargo airlin
02-12-2020, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by wjcandee
Pretty-clear now that this was a false-alarm by a completely-incompetent journalist.
That particular description as a "startup cargo airline" had been used before to describe what they're doing now, and this was a cut-and-paste of a previously-used job description in network planning.
I made the mistake of assuming that a "respected" publication like that would at least have had some internal Amazon source who gave them the skinny on background, that a journalist would know he needed to have it, and that an editor (a dying profession) would have demanded it before publication. Like the old days.
But nope, just a complete hack job by an idiot, that sucked all of us in. Nothing to see here.
That particular description as a "startup cargo airline" had been used before to describe what they're doing now, and this was a cut-and-paste of a previously-used job description in network planning.
I made the mistake of assuming that a "respected" publication like that would at least have had some internal Amazon source who gave them the skinny on background, that a journalist would know he needed to have it, and that an editor (a dying profession) would have demanded it before publication. Like the old days.
But nope, just a complete hack job by an idiot, that sucked all of us in. Nothing to see here.
02-13-2020, 07:58 AM
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I totally agree, this movie has played before. Swearing allegiance to something that is not yours is foolish, being baited by shiny airplanes and empty promises at the stake of your brother..idiotic. Swearing allegiance, taking the bait AND selling out your brothers IN ONE SWOOP.....priceless!
02-13-2020, 08:12 AM
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I'm not buying that this article is false. FDX wanted trucks but no union drivers. UPS wanted airplanes but no pilots. FDX showed that they could run a trucking operation without a Union. UPS couldn't show they could operate an airline without having an inhouse pilot group.
Amazon is finding out the same as UPS. Bezos will probably try to do what UPS did, that truck drivers could become pilots...
Amazon already holds or has the right to purchase ATSG stock that will give it a 19.9% stake in ATSG if exercised before the expiration in March 2021. I'm willing to bet that stake become majority ownership. That gives them a Cert. Gives them Maint. and gives them a pilot group to start with.
Amazon is finding out the same as UPS. Bezos will probably try to do what UPS did, that truck drivers could become pilots...
Amazon already holds or has the right to purchase ATSG stock that will give it a 19.9% stake in ATSG if exercised before the expiration in March 2021. I'm willing to bet that stake become majority ownership. That gives them a Cert. Gives them Maint. and gives them a pilot group to start with.
02-13-2020, 10:09 AM
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They are going to focus on what they think they are good at.
Owning the customer (service / obsession they call it).
Planning / logistics
Scaling up / high volume
If you take their plan at face value - get packages to customers more quickly and more cheaply - then they are not going to do anything crazy like start an actual airline.
However, at their scale and given the level of control they normally want - their contracted cargo ops is going to get big quick and may feel a bit like its own airline op.
They have enough package volume themselves - and may have eyes on doing logistics for other business which would double down on that once they get their volume onto their own network (they only deliver a part on their own network currently).
ATSG pilots jobs are more than safe.
Owning the customer (service / obsession they call it).
Planning / logistics
Scaling up / high volume
If you take their plan at face value - get packages to customers more quickly and more cheaply - then they are not going to do anything crazy like start an actual airline.
However, at their scale and given the level of control they normally want - their contracted cargo ops is going to get big quick and may feel a bit like its own airline op.
They have enough package volume themselves - and may have eyes on doing logistics for other business which would double down on that once they get their volume onto their own network (they only deliver a part on their own network currently).
ATSG pilots jobs are more than safe.
02-13-2020, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain
I wouldn't loose sleep based on some job description that HR wrote. Who knows what exactly Amazon is doing. The easy button would just be buy FedEx and/or UPS. Or ATSG. Why reinvent the wheel. Amazon wanted to get into grocery stores, they bought Whole Foods, they didn't go build grocery stores from scratch.
Who knows what will happen.
Who knows what will happen.
02-13-2020, 03:36 PM
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Trump would probably endorse Wally World buy/intervention or at least a partnership with the other heavy hitter shippers (shippers gotta get vertical with their horizontal capabilities) to slow boat / mitigate the Amazon glazing of the world and the donut hole eaters. Mmmmmm Doughnuts!
02-14-2020, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by HeavyDriver
Regardless of what Amazon does. ATSG is not going anywhere as long as they let their “Golden Goose” operate independently from Wilmington decision making.
02-14-2020, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Tango Uniform
Amazon already holds or has the right to purchase ATSG stock that will give it a 19.9% stake in ATSG if exercised before the expiration in March 2021. I'm willing to bet that stake become majority ownership. That gives them a Cert. Gives them Maint. and gives them a pilot group to start with.
Amazon job opening (Senior MX Ops Mgr, 767/737 experience preferred):
https://www.amazon.jobs/en/jobs/1055...AdxdfVUIZWFuXA
02-14-2020, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyAstarJets
I’m just spit ball’n here, but why would JH sell ATSG whole when he could just sell off a certificate or two and keep the cash cows, CAM and OMNI (your Golden Goose). He has his huge payday, and still gets to play King of ILN
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