Leave a “Big Three” for FedEx/UPS (CV19)?
05-02-2020, 10:39 AM
#11
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Bailing on 5 years seniority at a destination carrier sounds like a knee jerk reaction. There is no guarantee that the cargo companies won’t furlough in the next 1-2 years. A recession will hit those companies, possibly concurrent with passenger airlines ramping back up. I’d wait and see just how deep the furloughs will be before making any rash decisions. Leaving all that seniority could easily be a losing long term gamble.
05-02-2020, 11:59 AM
#12
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Took two pages for a guy to get this ^. You really think anyone at FedEx / UPS is save with 1out of 5 Americans unemployed and the world economy grinding to a halt ? Who’s freight are you going to be moving ? Some freight will move yes. But the same amount to justify new hire classes for the foreseeable future ? I doubt it. That said sure hope so for my friends and for all those hoping to join them.
05-03-2020, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
If offered a job, should I leave a “Big Three” major for FedEx or UPS?
Five years at a major, likely going to be furloughed. Passenger traffic forecasted to return to pre-CV levels in 2022/23. FedEx and UPS are both hiring, and cargo seems very immune to the typical calamities that torpedo AA/DL/UA, especially in a social distancing Amazon-dominated world.
I left WN off the list because they planned for a rainy day and will likely survive this.
Will be applying to FedEx and UPS this weekend.
Five years at a major, likely going to be furloughed. Passenger traffic forecasted to return to pre-CV levels in 2022/23. FedEx and UPS are both hiring, and cargo seems very immune to the typical calamities that torpedo AA/DL/UA, especially in a social distancing Amazon-dominated world.
I left WN off the list because they planned for a rainy day and will likely survive this.
Will be applying to FedEx and UPS this weekend.
05-03-2020, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
If offered a job, should I leave a “Big Three” major for FedEx or UPS?
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Will be applying to FedEx and UPS this weekend.
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Will be applying to FedEx and UPS this weekend.
05-03-2020, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by whalesurfer
Hope things get back to normal on the pax side but it you’re thinking cargo you better hurry. According to one of our (brown) hr managers last week alone they got some ~6,200 brand new applications, probably same at fdx.
lets just hope the world economy starts moving again in one form or shape again soon
the psychology in all of this is interesting. Just look at us in the major section.. “my airline will be fine, others will fail...” “sure, the government will save our too big to fail airline when it comes down to it, not the others...” “Cargo jobs are stable...” “more people will soon fly Netjets ....”
denial denial denial. Not wanting to face something too big to comprehend.
fact is.. unless “normal non aviation” people have jobs and start spending again soon we’re all in for a very painful and slow recovery.
05-03-2020, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
If offered a job, should I leave a “Big Three” major for FedEx or UPS?
Five years at a major, likely going to be furloughed. Passenger traffic forecasted to return to pre-CV levels in 2022/23. FedEx and UPS are both hiring, and cargo seems very immune to the typical calamities that torpedo AA/DL/UA, especially in a social distancing Amazon-dominated world.
I left WN off the list because they planned for a rainy day and will likely survive this.
Will be applying to FedEx and UPS this weekend.
Five years at a major, likely going to be furloughed. Passenger traffic forecasted to return to pre-CV levels in 2022/23. FedEx and UPS are both hiring, and cargo seems very immune to the typical calamities that torpedo AA/DL/UA, especially in a social distancing Amazon-dominated world.
I left WN off the list because they planned for a rainy day and will likely survive this.
Will be applying to FedEx and UPS this weekend.
05-03-2020, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by whalesurfer
Hope things get back to normal on the pax side but it you’re thinking cargo you better hurry. According to one of our (brown) hr managers last week alone they got some ~6,200 brand new applications, probably same at fdx.
05-03-2020, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
I know that in the past UPS had gotten burned hiring furloughed legacy pilots because they ended up going back. From what I was told by a UPS check airman, they tended to shy away from legacy pilots since there are plenty of other people who want to work there and not just looking for a place to ride out their furlough.
05-03-2020, 08:56 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by Cargoisthebest
If you want to actually have a real career as a pilot, being a cargo pilot is a no brainier. Being an airline pilot sucks. No job security, deal with annoying and rude passengers. Complaining flight attendants. Cargo guys were laughed at and called fake pilots. Guess who's got the last laugh, definitely not the AA guys.
Second, there is a lot of factors to consider before jumping to cargo. How much seniority are you giving up? How stable is the cargo industry and the company you are applying for (maybe avoid ACMI)? How many years until you retire (with automation cargo pilots will be the first to be pushed out of the cockpit).
But you are definitely right about the benefits of not dealing with passengers, flight attendants and usually avoiding going through busy passenger terminals.
05-03-2020, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mpflyboy1
First, you probably didn't mean it that way, but a cargo pilot is an "airline" pilot. We already get that question all the time from the ignorant public, "Have you ever thought about being a real commercial/airline pilot?"
Second, there is a lot of factors to consider before jumping to cargo. How much seniority are you giving up? How stable is the cargo industry and the company you are applying for (maybe avoid ACMI)? How many years until you retire (with automation cargo pilots will be the first to be pushed out of the cockpit).
But you are definitely right about the benefits of not dealing with passengers, flight attendants and usually avoiding going through busy passenger terminals.
Second, there is a lot of factors to consider before jumping to cargo. How much seniority are you giving up? How stable is the cargo industry and the company you are applying for (maybe avoid ACMI)? How many years until you retire (with automation cargo pilots will be the first to be pushed out of the cockpit).
But you are definitely right about the benefits of not dealing with passengers, flight attendants and usually avoiding going through busy passenger terminals.
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