160to4

This is an industry wide issue. I know someone at a very popular major that had to come in and reset her 120 day consolidation because OE was so backed up.

How can sitting at home with a seniority number getting paid guarantee be such a horrific and unpleasant experience??…sigh…

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In the current environment, I'm guessing that time builders want the time in their logbook right now so that they can update their applications with Delta/United/American/whatever. Time waiting for IOE is time not on the seniority list and making the big bucks at their desired final destination.

160to4

Precisely! “Generation Now”

I guess going to a regional is off the cards because who wants a CRJ/EMB type when you can have a 747 right?

Man I must be getting old and out of touch to say; aviation looked nothing like this when I started out

DVNO

Whether or not it’s out of touch, no one should say for a moment that the new generation of drivers should have to slog through the low pay and poor work rules or yesteryear. The fact that there’s upward movement is a great thing, don’t belittle guys taking advantage of the industry and the management that never cared for them in the first place. If we are just numbers, than the seniority list of just numbers can do fine without new guys. Pay your people and treat them right, otherwise it’s numbers walking out the door with a new type and little to no revenue created for the company. If you could have a career from ATP cert onwards, guys would never have to jump ship again.

160to4

The point I was trying to make was; if being delayed during training and sent home was not good enough at first years’ pay at Atlas, then apply somewhere else. This has nothing to do with the untrusted management at 5Y.

Delta match our first years’ pay. AA, UPS, FedEx, and even United all have lower pay during the first year. Spirit ($1700/month), F9 or the regionals MIGHT get you a few hours quicker in your quest for the majors, than Atlas, but that has nothing to do with the inabilities of the training center.

C17B74

Yeah, I don’t think he’s saying that and it’s not about requiring anyone to run the gauntlet that so many have before you, me, us to get where most of the industry is today and capitalize on it. It all comes down to timing and nothing more for the standard pilot and what environment they fell into as minimums everywhere have fallen as the demand has skyrocketed. Comparably speaking the numbers don’t lie, the interviews and experience level doesn’t either, but everyone is trainable to a standard if they so choose for the most part and it’s not rocket science as most would say - it’s the mindset of expectations is what it boils down too. Definitely a good thing to strive for more pay, benefits, quality of life aspects within this industry which every group has done before so nothing new. Each generation has had its go-getters decade after decade and definitely a good mix with hungry folks pouring in by the thousands these past few years like nothing seen before - Ever! With these flood gates at most every carrier wide open it’s a good thing and perhaps this influx at such a rapid rate and dwindling supply of experience levels can drive that “pay and treatment” you speak of to new heights just by shear numbers and laws of attraction if you will. Just don’t be shattered if expectations aren’t met the first time overnight, keep plugging away, never surrender, never give up. Always a reason to complain everyone does, but not everyone whines which is purely a negative manifestation. Knowing the difference between the two is key.