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Read the "Contract", no one can be inversed into an FDA. The LOA allows for an STV, other than that if you do not bid it you will not go.

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Originally Posted by ECQLO (Post 188610)

If you read the LOA under section D. STV for HKG and CDG. By passing this LOA you are giving a freehand to the Company to do this (granted it is temporary). If I'm not mistaken under the current contract (Prez jump in) this is not the case. One of our previous managers was notorious of throwing in our faces that we had a choice and we bid it. This is true. He also claim that the Company has never forced anyone to go to SFS (this I don't know). But I will say this much, if this LOA passes and they can't fill the seats it is the junior guys that will be inverse into it and I can definitely see this individual say "The union negotiated for it"

Why would anyone would agree to this.

I think I would listen to avi8torguy in regards to the present contract and the LOA. Trust me he is alot more qualified and knows a hell of alot. I think he is someone who should be listened to. He is not just your average line guy but someone who has been involved since ALPA came on the property 8 years ago. If he is who I think he is I can't believe he is wasting his time bantering with all of us. Just shows that our leadership really does give a $hit.

I agree on that. And this is the very same reason as of why I say to vote in this LOA will be a mistake. The seats will be filled with Junior pilots (temporary basis) that have no desire to go. However as it stands SIBA it is one of their options as it has been done in the past. My AVTAR says New Hire. Im not. I have been on the property 10+ years. Currently based in SFS.

Is SIBA really an option for HKG? With those epic deadhead legs?

If it was up to me, I'd replace the Twatter with a Challenger and keep SFS as the domicile.....

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Originally Posted by ECQLO (Post 188625)

I am sure I have gotten drunk with you before at the Blue Rock too. I just don't think there is the grand conspiracy that everyone is trying to make it. It sucks (the LOA). But I do not think our leadership is trying to sell us out.

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Originally Posted by av8torguy (Post 188614)

Read the "Contract", no one can be inversed into an FDA. The LOA allows for an STV, other than that if you do not bid it you will not go.

Your correct, but who wants to be inversed into SVT. Not me. As of now they cant inverse you into a SVT for a FDA. They have to do it SIBA, like they did for for subic last summer. SVT is a huge give back and if your junior it sucks especially if you dont want to go there. Three months is a long time to live in a hotel away from your family. This is a lose lose for us and if we vote for it were crazy. They have also left the door open to add airplane types which opens it up to all of us, not just 757 guys. What is the MEC thinking.

I never said that they are trying to sell us out. I am saying let the LOA pass or fail on its own merits. In my opinion and speaking from my very own experiences of living overseas there is nothing to be gain by pushing this document forward.

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Originally Posted by MEMA300 (Post 188631)

Thank You this is exactly my point

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Originally Posted by Huck (Post 188626)

Is SIBA really an option for HKG? With those epic deadhead legs?

If it was up to me, I'd replace the Twatter with a Challenger and keep SFS as the domicile.....

It has been done from time to time during rainy season.